I think to pull off something like that, there had to be some substance abuse involved, or mental health issues, maybe a psychotic break. If the latter, I have some sympathy.
Before he jumped, he drove like a loon and endangered who knows how many innocent bystanders, not to mention LEOs. Zero sympathy was generous.
Annoying how the cops can’t do anything right, isn’t it?
Dan
On the other hand, if the calculus is “Move this guy fast and risk paralyzing him, or move him slowly and risk killing him and us if the power lines come down on him”, hustling him out was the right call.
But it ended!
Might as well just shoot him, I mean, he endangered everyone’s life. Yours, too.
I expect proportionate response from cops, not “let’s fuck him up because I’m pissed”, which is what it seems we always get.
I think you’re working hard to make the Po-lice look bad - any evidence that they handled the goofball roughly on purpose, rather than were hustling to get him out of the way of live wires? I would have hustled, too, because the wires that threatened the GB also threatened the rescuers.
We’ll have to wait a bit to hear if the rescuers really did fear the hot wires - I would have, because I’ve seen downed electrical lines snapping and popping and jumping around. Scary.
Dan
I’m not arguing he wasn’t a goofball. No doubt about that! Choosing to jump out of a moving car that you are driving! That’s nuts.
But we’ll never know if he was still a live nut on the road. The cops could have waited, assessed the situation. Do we know if the wires even fell down, ever?
So you’re calling this person a “goofball” for stealing a cop car and putting so many lives at risk. Why are you defending that behavior?! That’s sick. You need to reassess.
Are you actually arguing that it was the cops that killed him and not him flying around like a rag-doll after exiting the car at speed?
Let me clarify.
I agree that endangering a person’s life in retaliation for the way they acted in an extremely dangerous, costly, and illegal way is not a good thing for professional law enforcement personnel.
But you also shouldn’t minimize that person’s behavior when criticizing law enforcement’s response. It almost sounds like you’re saying that if they are treated badly after the fact, it somehow excuses what they did to lead them to that point.
In my post above, I mentioned that “We’ll have to wait a bit…”
Atamasama, I’m the one who called him a goofball. Could you perhaps rephrase your post, because I’m having trouble catching your drift.
Thank you
Dan
Oops, I see more posts arrived while I was fumbling with this thing.
That’s a good point.
He slid on his head for a good distance on a freeway after ejecting himself from a vehicle moving 50 MPH. I don’t think moving him roughly afterward was what did him in.
I am not a trained emergency response professional so I don’t know what the proper priority should be in this situation: removing someone from the road with potential traffic and a broken power pole, or immediately trying to administer first aid, or setting up a stop to traffic, etc. I’m not criticizing the cops because I don’t have the ability to do so in an educated manner, but for the same reason I don’t criticize them either.
My apologies to @Just_Asking_Questions then.
Then I direct my question to you; what the fuck makes you think this behavior warrants calling someone a “goofball”?! That’s a term for someone who’s engaged in silly but harmless stupidity.
(Or was that just sarcasm or irony, it’s hard to tell in the context of the post.)
I agree that trying to run out of a moving car is goofy.
Here’s goofy driving.
You’re right: of course it’s perfectly rational to exit a car at 50 mph. I take back “goofball”, the guy was merely a “fruitcake”. I didn’t have the Disney style guide handy when I mislabeled him.
Is he really, actually, finally dead? Do we have official word about that?
Dan
I guess I should never forget there’s not a nit that the SD won’t pick.
I don’t know WTF you’re on about here. I don’t see anything in my posts defending his behavior. I also don’t think he deserves to be roughed up for it, either. I wouldn’t think that was controversial, but who knows.
Well, we’ll never know, will we? I’ve seen people survive worse. I say, the light risk of downed power lines doesn’t excuse the certain risk of moving a possible spinal injury victim (yes, victim).
Again, I have no idea how you’re reading that from what I wrote.
The chase was over. Frankly , if he drove over a bus load of nuns and children, that doesn’t justify excessive force. Especially if he is already unconscious or badly injured.
If the dope is collectively arguing for summary execution for high speed chases then you should all change your voter registration to republican. That’s not what I want in a police force.
To make myself clear, I don’t see excessive force, or, indeed, any untoward force here. I see a rescue, and I see the rescuers doing the best they could without a written, approved plan
Dan
Excessive force?! Did we watch the same video? They pulled him off a freeway with a leaning power pole. You’re acting like they were working him over for fuck’s sake. It’s helicopter footage and it’s hard to tell what they’re doing, but they definitely aren’t attacking him. As far as we know they were trying to find signs of life or revive him.
I’ll repeat…
You’re imagining shit.
Why do this? You’re arguing with one guy as far as I can tell.
The trained emergency response is you immobilize potential spinal or neck injuries before moving them. So as to not risk making it worse, paralyzing or killing the victim. It doesn’t take an EMT to know this.
You are correct. I retract my statement. I confused many posts by one person with many posts by many persons.