On the Topic of Transgenders

Because no one cares, and no one is harmed, unlike past forms of segregation. People aren’t going to get worked up about something that harms no one and that no one sees any reason to change.

So any form of segregation is okay as long as nobody is harmed by it?

So if I come up with a truly harmless form of separate-but-equal based on race, that would be okay?

Or if you say that’s not possible, why is it possible with gender?

Who would be harmed if we abolished gendered restrooms and locker rooms? If nobody cares, like you say, why not do that? Would anyone complain? Would you declare their complaints invalid because they aren’t really harmed according to you? Why do transgender people care which restroom and locker rooms they use in the first place?

Try as you might, you can’t just make this a simple issue analogous to other civil rights issues as long as it’s laid down over a template of segregation. It’s just not that easy.

Continuing this in the other thread to avoid a hijack, since this thread isn’t about bathrooms.

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Back to speaking as a short dude: yes, this is true. Being short doubtless hurt me in the dating scene; worse, I didn’t realize it hurt me in the dating scene, and I spent a lot of time beating myself up over being single when I wish I’d known how detrimental being short was.

OH WELL.

In so many ways I got dealt the perfect genetic hand: white, male, straight. I’m smart, I’m American, I have middle-class parents. Am I really going to waste all my time feeling sorry for myself because in one particular way I face a hurdle that other people don’t face?

Nope. Everyone’s got some problem they have to deal with. Mine–and derek’s–is fairly small, compared to the racism that people of color deal with, or the sexism that women deal with, or the homophobia that gay folk deal with, or the poverty that poor people deal with (I know that ain’t genetic, bear with me), or maybe just maybe the gender dysphoria and transphobia double whammy that trans folk deal with.

Trans folk have a huge suicide rate, due in huge part to that double whammy. Short dudes? Not so much. Our plight, like our height, is minuscule.

Sadly, I can confirm this has already started happening.

Well, to be fair I wouldn’t want to share a bathroom with Ted Cruz either, would you?

Actually, in my experience that answer is a ‘no’. While there are a significant number of women willing to say “Short men are a turn-off for me,” I have never heard/read a woman saying that short men are ‘repulsive’, and would expect a woman saying that to be called a bigot. I have never seen them say that the idea of dating or accidentally being attracted to a short person is ‘disgusting’ or prompts an ‘ew, no never’ reaction. I have never heard anyone say that no woman should ever date a 5’ 1" man. The above didn’t ask ‘are there women who don’t want to date short guys’, it was a bit more specific than that.

To be fair, there are more trans people out there then there are Ted Cruzs, so maybe he should stay home.

Well, that depends – by “short” are you talking height, or something else? :wink:

That’s something I can totally support.

Well, yeah. The OP had laid out some extremely specific preconditions that had to be met before he’d “accept” transgender individuals – and they were built around being able to call someone “repulsive” or describing something as “disgusting” or reacting with an “Ew, no, never.” The OP also (a) mentioned having been told to lower his standards when women he was interested in weren’t receptive, (b) suggested it was because of his 5’1" height, and (c) railed against the idea that, someday, he’d be told to lower his standards to the point of dating a transgender individual.

So I wondered if there was a link: did he pick those extremely specific preconditions because they were the ones he’d faced when getting rejected? Or did he pick those extremely specific preconditions for some other reason?

My father not only looked stereotypically Jewish he had a definite Yiddish accent. Our surname was likewise stereotypically Jewish. So… Jewish looking guy with a Yiddish accent signs a Jewish name on a hotel register in Rural Redneckville. At that point it didn’t matter if he was actually Jewish or not, “we don’t want your kind around here”.

I think the implication is that they should never leave their homes.
(But now you’ve got me wondering how long Ted Cruz can hold his pee.)

A former friend of mine from high school thought like this. She was like 6’2" and was adamant that she would only date a man that was taller than her in heels. Not just because it was her preference, but “that’s how it SHOULD be, women should only date taller men”.

She was… a real peach though. She also said America should (not would, but should) burn for electing Obama instead of McCain.

Okay, I’m afraid that you’re going to have to leave now.

[Hangs head in shame]

It pains me to say that someone did actually say that to me in an internet argument on the topic.

And meant it.

Heh, I had forgotten that there’s such a thing as ‘Jewish names’ or hotel registers, but yeah that makes it pretty easy to tell that someone is ‘your kind’ from trying to check in at a hotel. And it’s pretty clear he’s not an atheist!

It reminds me of the people who refuse to believe that the Earth is as old as it is, and they’ll keep insisting that it’s only a few thousand years old, because acknowledging scientific facts makes them uncomfortable.
That said, they’re trouble-makers but not nearly as personally hurtful as the OP is.

Not Two Corinthians?