Please, serenade us with my supposed (hint- nonexistent) dishonesty.
Agree. Pretty much nobody seriously expects that the latest Liberal Social Program to Close the Gap will actually work.
What is the reason this debate needs to be in the pit?
What you would have to believe is that the less capable populations would end up being on the low end of the SES pole in the first place, and that the less capable would be the conquered and not the conqueror over the long run.
Within african population lines themselves, this is so. Under Cetawayo, the Zulus, for example, conquered a good bit of what became part of Zululand. The Incas conquered a good bit of their chunk of the world.
Sometimes this is blind luck. Someone gave you guns; you carry new germs; you were first to the discovery of steel. Sometimes it’s a handful of really smart guys. Cetawayo not only organized an otherwise somewhat disjointed people (or at least better organized them after Chako’s original effort); he outwitted the British on more than one occasion. Sometimes it’s political circumstance.
But, over the long haul and over a variety of circumstances and politics, when a given group always ends up on the short end of the stick for a given outcome, I’d argue it’s more likely than not that there is a fundamental difference. I just don’t see the brutality in the Swedish treatment of black immigrants.
I’d argue that such an explanation is even more likely if the same groups end up on the long end of the stick for other endeavors. I don’t see centuries of brutality hampering blacks for NBA success…just the successes you want to pick and choose for.
I just love how you “ignore” me by continuing to post in my thread. Your ignorance is truly special, in more ways then one.
It doesn’t- I answered your post in the GD thread. Feel free to take the debate back there.
FWIW, my position is that the observed racial gap in intelligence is due in large part to genetics. Which explains why the huge expenditure of time, money, and energy to “close the gap” has not succeeded.
Unless of course a Leftist notices that “black people” did worse on a college admissions test or a firefighter promotion test or something like that. Then they can scream about discrimination.
No, it’s the Leftists’ game to obsess over racial disparities and then scream “racist!” when anyone points out that those disparities are likely (in large part) the result of genetic differences.
Your position has no supporting evidence.
As opposed to obsessing over “Leftists” and their conspiracies? It’s a good thing us “Lefties” have gotten so many conservatives, like Frank Sweet and Ron Unz to write studies and arguments in our favor.
Ahhh, liberal excuse number 1511 for black underachievement. What is your evidence for this hypothesis?
It’s ironic hearing someone who supports a hypothesis with no evidence ask for evidence for someone else’s hypothesis. It’s also ironic to continue to post in a thread started by someone that you (are pretending to) ignore.
brazil84- a truly special kind of ignorance.
I’m all for a good mocking.
points and laughs Hahahahah.
Agree, these proposed explanations never stand up to scrutiny. Often there have been many attempts in the past to “close the gap” by equalizing school funding or whatever. There are frequently other average or high-achieving groups who have suffered the same disadvantage which is hypothesized as the explanation for black under-performance. And there are usually plenty of other low achieving blacks who have not suffered from this disadvantage which supposedly accounts for their poor performance.
There are other groups in America whose ancestors were enslaved for centuries, and then suffered institutionalized, government-supported repression for a hundred years up until just a few decades ago? Do tell.
And yet a physical anthropologist can look at a modern skeleton and measure the relative length of bones and make an educated assumption about the region of the world that the deceased’s ancestors are from.
We know that height, hair color and texture, eye color and shape, skin color, type of ear wax, blood type, and other physical features vary among groups depending on where their ancestors are from. But for some reason there can not possibly be any physical difference that would affect the achievement gap.
There could be. But why should anyone believe it with no evidence for it? There’s no genetic evidence. All they (supporters of the “genetic explanation”) have is evidence of disparate outcomes, which no one denies. The fact that disparate outcomes exist say nothing about why they exist, and there’s no genetic evidence for the genetic explanation.
I disagree. Black underperformance occurs even in areas which are pretty much all Black like Haiti. How much racism does your typical Haitian encounter day to day?
On the other hand, Black people in Haiti do have something in common with Black people in the US and Black people in Africa which is that they are descended from people who lived for a long time in one part of the world.
The simplest explanation for black intellectual underachievement which is pretty much universal in space and time is that there is some set of alleles which was common in that part of the world which causes much of the disparity.
Well what exactly has changed? Blacks were more violent than whites in 1913 just as they are today. Blacks were more poor than whites in 1913 just like they are today. Crime rates are down for everyone; life expectancy is up for everyone; wealth is up for everyone.
The simplest explanation is that things like crime, poverty, and life expectancy are a function of both environment and genes.
And the gap has persisted.
FWIW GIGObuster is on my ignore list because if his refusal to answer reasonable questions about his position. He is also one of the stupidest posters on this message board.
“Ignore”. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
And you should pray it never does. Without “black people are dumb” threads, all you’ll have left are “climate change is a liberal hoax” threads. Consider how sad, empty and pointless your life is now, and imagine it getting that much sadder, emptier and pointlessier.
Yeah. Not a pretty thought, is it? I shudder on your behalf.
They were also enslaved and transported, and then treated brutally for centuries.
Considering there’s only been even half-way decent testing for a few decades, this is a ridiculous statement (just one of many by you, of course).
Or that a major world event that lasted for centuries (hint- it’s slavery and brutal repression) continues to effect the societies and descendants of those victimized. There’s no evidence for your explanation.
Cite please- I’d love to see some crime stats from that old, broken down by race. And if they do exist, I would hold American crime stats for blacks in 1913 as only slightly more reliable then German crime stats for Jews in 1938.