Wow! Plot twists, much? How did Prince Charming II ‘remember’ if it never happened? Did Gold zap him?
Gold zapped him with the curse - they alluded to it in the Henry/Emma conversations about the residents having ‘false’ memories to keep the storybook memories buried, and that Charming didn’t have false memories when he woke up due to his being knocked out when the curse was enacted.
Okay. I guess his curse was delayed. So, what are the bets for the character that gets chopped next week? It’s probably going to be the guilt-ridden Sheriff/Huntsman. The only hot guy on the show.
And I’m still fascinated with Rumplestiltskin’s whole reptilian vibe in the fairy tale world – eyes, skin, clothes – he’s definitely the most interesting visually.
Yeah, I’m guessing the huntsman will be the one to get the axe. Though wouldn’t it be convenient if Prince Charming’s wife is killed? Maybe Mr. Gold offers Miss Blanchard a deal? :dubious:
If Blanchard were to make such a deal, it would mean that everything we think we know about the characters is actually questionable. It would completely change the flavor of the show.
It would be extremely daring, but I doubt it’s going to happen. There are a good number of morally ambiguous characters on this show, but I don’t expect Mary Margaret to be one of them. If I am wrong, then the show definitely has my attention.
Somehow I luckily scrolled down too fast and missed the spoiler that should be boxed…
I am I going to be wary of Page 4 and quotes in this thread from now on–like a long term spoiler? Or is it a short term one?
Long term - its a quintessential mystery of the show.
Although, this latest episode again shows that there is no doubt -
The mayor/queen all but sealed the fate by telling Margret “you don’t belong together” - sheesh - have you learned nothing?
Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough in my post but I wasn’t seriously suggesting that Snow White would put out a hit on her romantic rival. That would be incredibly out of character, and I proposed it in jest.
Kathryn seems to be a much nicer person than her HEAL counterpart, at least. Of course, we only saw Abigail in the worst possible light, so who knows.
This puzzles me a great deal. Everyone else seems to retain approximately their same personality from HEAL (Red Riding Hood a possible exception). Why is Abigail/Kathryn so changed?
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Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough in my post but I wasn’t seriously suggesting that Snow White would put out a hit on her romantic rival. That would be incredibly out of character, and I proposed it in jest.
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Tangent, you may have meant it as a joke, but if this were, for example, Babylon 5, twists like that would not be at all odd. The motto of that show was “nothing is as it seems,” and several characters went through great moral change in the course of five years. I didn’t watch Lost, so I don’t know if these people are similarly inclined, but they certainly have shown a willingness for quite a bit of gray to appear in their characters.
I don’t think she actually has changed. Her personality in HEAL was from a position of power. I have no trouble seeing her acting nicer in a situation where she believes her power is reduced and she needs to in order to achieve her goals.
It could be a nature/nurture thing, too. In HEAL, she’s the daughter of the most powerful king (apparently), but for all he claims she’s the most precious thing in his kingdom to her (love the ‘thing’), he seems to have no interest in what she actually wants and needs. She probably got everything she wanted growing up, and nothing she needed, if you see what I mean.
And from him, she would have learned to regard everything around her in terms of its value in money or property or power. No real chance to form human connections, you see? Whereas in Storybrook, her back story is probably considerably less privileged, and she at least believes she grew up forming human connections.
Maybe.
Or I could just be talking through my hat.
Or maybe something happens to change Abigail in the time between her engagement to James and when the curse takes effect. We don’t know exactly how long that is, but if it’s enough time for James to woo, marry, and conceive a child with Snow, it’s certainly enough time for Abigail to have her own character arc.
Here’s the thing. If Henry is right, the people in Storybrooke have no backstory. In the 28 years it’s been there (and if you were Emma, wouldn’t you want to be checking the records outside Storybrooke about that?), nothing actually changed. Time had stopped. People are the same age they were in HEAL. They have a sense of having a past, but it’s all fuzzy. As I said earlier in the thread, I’m guessing they have an idea of today, yesterday, maybe the day before or last week, and “ago.”
Unfortunately, they’re not being very precise in this respect. I don’t know if that’s intentional on the part of the producers, or they’re just fudging when convenient. It’s always a problem with fantasy fiction of any kind, to make it internally consistent, and especially with a popular TV show, I think the temptation for the producers just to wave their hands and think “a public that can even consider Herman Cain as a presidential candidate is not going to notice this, and besides - it’s magic” must be very great.
Strictly speaking - we only know that Emma has been in boston/the area for 28years - she disappeared in the “magic box” and then the curse came in - we have no real idea how long Storybrook has been in existance - but one does assume atleast 9 years (assuming that Henry was adopted by the mayor as an infant).
Hm, that’s true. No particular reason why the curse would be tied in time to the magic box, unless time is tied between the two universes. But time would seem to be malleable, at least in Storybrooke, so that’s not terribly likely.
Man, it is such a mistake to geek out on stuff like this. The “Yeah, buts” can go on forever.
And not a fairy tale character. Exactly.
Late to the thread, but I tried watching the pilot last night and can’t possibly watch anymore and it’s because of things like this. Basically, the whole thing is about a Disney/plastic version of fairy tales. I grew up with “proper” fairy tale books by the likes of Grimm (delightful stuff like “Death for a Godfather”. Proper terrifying folk tales, I mean) or Andersen (No, the mermaid does NOT get the prince). To me just smooshing all these different “fairy tale” characters (some folk tales, some art fairy tales, or Disney inventions/versions etc) together at random and then having them live in an “Enchanted Forest”, well that’s fine for something like Shrek, but as a premise for something even halfway serious…it’s too tacky. Not meaning to threadshit, but the original thread did ask for opinions.
P.s. Yes, Robert Carlyle is good. I agree with that bit.
Except I don’t think this is meant as even halfway serious. It’s a light 8pm family program.
Of course it is. It’s a Disney owned show airing on a Disney owned network.
The show has, IMHO, substantially improved since the pilot episode. And while it is a Disney version of fairy tales in appearance, most of the characters are neither cartoons nor caricatures. It’s remarkably not black and white considering that it is somewhat Disney related. This show may be on at 8 PM, but it strikes me as unlikely to appeal to children. Smart teens, sure, but this isn’t a “family show.” There’s been a surprising amount of subtlety.