Thanks, I wondered who that was. How do we know he was Grumpy? And who is the Sheriff?
Pretty sure it was Red and Grandma, in fairytale land the knitting lady looked a lot like her and standing beside her was Red.
When Snow White is giving birth there’s a dwarf beside her, just like what appears to be Grumpy and Sleepy are keeping watch. Probably why they are using the more ‘Disney’ version is because that’s who everyone knows, though I’m hoping to spot some more traditional/obscure ones as time moves along. Will there be more evil people? So far we’ve seen a slice of a slice of fairytales.
Also, is everyone as convinced as I am that the Sheriff (I forget his name) = the Huntsman. And what’s up with that wolf? Is it Big Bad?
Another thought, if time doesn’t move, how can the kid grow up there? If he’s not static and the others are, what about the other kids? Or are the other kids like Lost Boys? Hard to make friends when you are the only person who grows up.
Well, we saw him hanging out with the other dwarves right when Prince Charming rode up to kiss Snow White at the beginning, and he acted downright grumpy at the council meeting where Geppetto offered to carve the enchanted wardrobe…
If you weren’t living near an Indian burial ground or in the vicinity of some sort of monster from space, you were usually OK.
The prince addressed him as Doc. Maybe I’m using the wrong term here, but if he was assisting with a birth I think OB is correct.
Since I’m being mostly negative here I’ll add that Goodwin was very good in the fairytale scenes. In the classroom scene she came off as weirdly listless. I’m sure that was intentional as part of the fact that her character has forgotten who she is, but I didn’t think it worked.
Please note which network they’re on and who owns it. They will stick with the Disney version.
I’m in Canada, it’s airing on CTV*, I forgot that it’s an ABC show which is owned by Disney (is that right? Or is it vice versa? I have no idea…) so where are the token non-white Disney characters? And when did Disney do Red Riding hood?
*I don’t get ABC on my tv. Maybe it’s a specialty channel I have to order here, or maybe I have to have satellite instead of cable, but I don’t recall seeing ABC listed.
Not only is the show aired on ABC, but I noticed during the opening credits that the show is actually produced by “ABC Studios” so it’s completely network-owned.
(Flutterby: ABC is owned by Disney).
What I don’t understand is this…
Emma is the only one who can break the spell. The Queen (IIRC) knows this. So why does the Queen do something as idiotic as adopt Emma’s son? Wouldn’t the Queen do anything to have the kid adopted by some people in, say, Salem, Oregon or Juneau, Alaska?
Also, the teacher obviously knows something, else why give Emma’s son the book?
I watched halfheartedly until Snow White went into labor. I’m beyond tired of TV women screaming through labor.
Why adopt anyone at all? She has what she wants, why does she need a child? It’s one of those ‘evil’ things, he’s the Grandson of Snow White and Prince Charming so she adopts him to keep him under her thumb. Or the Queen decides she needs a child to mould for her own and fate puts Emma’s son in that place (closed adoption remember, the Queen may not have known Henry was Emma’s son, she seemed surprised and didn’t know who Emma was when they showed up on her doorstep. We don’t know if the Queen knows that Emma can break the curse from what I saw.
Spoilers in case anyone cares about previews
The trailer for next week that I saw showed the Queen talking to Rumplestiltskin and he was telling her how to make the curse work, we don’t know if he told her how it can be broken, so if he did she may have adopted Henry as a way to control Emma in the future or have something to hold over her head as she seems to be doing already by playing on guilt and dismissing her so far. Otherwise it’s a lot of coincidence or in the words of a favourite author who writes an interesting take on fairy tales… Tradition*.
Subconscious? Or Tradition* again.
*Tradition, in the 500 Kingdoms series by Mercedes Lackey, is the force behind the fairytales. Magic, fate, what have you, the weight of fairytales is a force that tries to push things into a traditional path based on the stories told. In the books it can be used and changed, but that’s not really related to this. I just think Tradition is as good a word as fate for this show, Emma is fated to break the curse so fate moves pieces to make it so she will break the curse and Henry is the first piece.
Sorry, I love fairy tales so I want to see what will be done here and am curious about Grimm.
Have you read the newest, Beauty and the Werewolf? There’s an additional fillip to this: Bella (the titular but not epoymous Beauty) is talking to one of Godmother Elena’s mirror servants, and describes the Tradition as a sort of slug that feeds on people’s emotions. It pushes people into Traditional roles because it ‘knows’ that it will get a big helping of the sort of food it likes when the tale ends.
Kinda creepy, if you ask me.
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I enjoyed it.
I’m hoping the twist is that Rumplestilskin tricked the Queen and she too is under the curse. She and Snow White know something is up but are not quite sure what. Or part of her revenge is seemingly building a way to break the curse and reuniting the Charmings with their long lost but now older than them daughter…but have it be a fake out that fails.
I wonder how long Prince Charming is going to be in a coma at the hospital.
Haven’t read it yet, sounds interesting. I need to check it out. I’d be interested in a thread at least, that way we wouldn’t take over this thread if the conversation goes further. 
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Good point, maybe Rumplestilskin is using it all to his own ends. After all, he ‘owns this town’ in Granny’s words. (Btw, any one else find the dig at Red by Granny amusing? Red is sometimes considered a warning tale about men/sex and Red was apparently sleeping her way down the coast…)
It didn’t quite work for me. Most of my problems were small and nitpicky, but there were too many of them and, for me, the story wasn’t good enough to overlook them, and the storytelling seemed off (which is really strange in a tv show that is about storytelling).
I think it could be good if the showrunners figure out what they’re doing. If I hear reports they have, I’ll probably tune in again.
I loved it. Thought Jennifer Morrison was really good, and they did a good job of showing us some fairy tale characters and the later real world counter parts. (Yeah, Jiminy Cricket clued me into the Disney background. I don’t think a character with that name exists elsewhere.)
I’ll keep watching and I am also going to watch Grimm, and from the looks of it enjoy that one, too.
One thing that messed me up with this episode was that I had a lot of trouble telling characters apart. So, at first I thought Emma was Snow White. Then, I figured oh maybe the Mayor is when I saw her. (Not for long, but long enough to feel dumb for thinking it.) So, when we met the teacher letting the blue bird out of the school I immediately assumed it wasn’t Snow White. (twice burned) And instead figured she was the fairy that brought the tree trunk in. Anyway. By the end I had everything figured out.
I went in knowing nothing about the show. Pretty interesting to see Jennifer Morrison on it. I didn’t know she had left House.
Probably untactful, but I think Snow White should let her hair grow at all times. I watched it through twice, and the first time I was so distracted by her ears in the classroom scenes I couldn’t pay attention. I really liked it – it was kind of an I Spy book/movie, where you found the clues in each scene.
Yeah, I agree! Those ears took me right out of the show. I kept expecting her to take flight. And it seemed like one was much bigger than the other.
But then again, her fairy tale Snow White hairdo was almost as bad, only higher and puffier.
Yeah, I was very confused about why she chopped her hair off at the end of Big Love. (Well, I understood why her character did it, but I don’t see it for the actress.) It makes her ears look huge, and it looks even shorter now, so she looks even younger and her ears look bigger. I don’t get it.
I must have watched a different show than the rest of you because I thought it was laughably bad. The present-day scenes were fine, but the every single fairy tale scene was just off–they were hard to watch. Cardboard characters doing nonsensical things with really cheap special effects. It was like watching a student film–I was both embarrassed for the cast and crew yet mad at them for wasting my time.
I definitely won’t be tuning in again. Grimm has got to be better than this. Seriously, it really can’t be worse.
When I saw that hairdo, I just assumed that it was to show her pointed ears, so I was confused when they weren’t pointed.