ahh - now I recall the preview - I don’t think its the same blonde.
So far, this show is exceeding what I had hoped it could be - I loved Emma’s face when Mary Margeret showed up and said “he woke up!”
ahh - now I recall the preview - I don’t think its the same blonde.
So far, this show is exceeding what I had hoped it could be - I loved Emma’s face when Mary Margeret showed up and said “he woke up!”
I thought the Queen was better looking than Snow and it bothered me also. Of course casting a beautiful actress as an evil witch isn’t unprecedented. The used Michelle Pfeiffer as the evil witch in Stardust. The whole point is their beauty is the result of enchantment and breaking their enchantment will let us see them as they actually are. In the real world, this is usually achieved with alcohol.
in fairy tale land, i think snow white looks better and the queen is hotter in the real world (fits with the story).
i’m in the camp that the queen does NOT know. sure some of the things she does seems skeevy at times, but if she actually was evil and knew the real story and the importance of emma, she would be a lot more proactive. trumped up charges of kidnapping is just one of many things that a corrupt mayor with the sherrif under her thumb could do.
The queen is not aware of Emma’s importance (that was told to Snow White and Charming by Rumplestiltskin, and not to the Queen) and we’re unsure if she even knew teh child’s name at the time of its birth.
If she were unaware, and unless further story reveals why the Mayor hates the shcoolteacher, her actions in this episode with regard to Charming would make no sense - she’s clearly aware of who the two are.
Rumplestiltskin definitely told the queen the importance of Snow White’s child. It was part of the “every curse has its weakness” speech and why she was so frantic to kill the baby when she invaded the kingdom. Now, the queen might not know that emma is the child in question, but it doesn’t really take a brainiac to figure out that emma fits into that role rather nicely with all the hubub she’s been causing.
also, what is so confusing about the queen’s actions wrt to charming this episode? a guy in a coma woke up and her wife claims him. her kid repeatedly runs away from home to hang out with this bondsperson who keeps feeding his weird fairy-tale fantasy.
Personally, I think the Queen remembers. Remember when Rumply tells her his price for telling her how to get the curse to work? He says she has to give him anything he asks for if he says, “Please.” And she says, “You realize if I’m successful, you won’t remember this?” She does not say, “WE won’t remember this.” And his request definitely implies that she will remember the deal. As a last bit of evidence, there’s the look on her face when he, as Gold, asks her to excuse him, “please.” You can see she’s wondering just how much he actually remembers of being Rumply.
Plus, as the caster of the spell, she should be unaffected by it other than the bits she wants to be affected by. She has to be in the real world to see her enemies suffer, after all. And I suspect that Rumply built the spell in such a way that it would not affect his memory, despite what the Queen thinks/thought.
I’m wondering what Snow White did that ruined the Queen’s life.
Oh, yes, and someone upthread wondered how come Emma got to keep her name in the real world. If you looked closely, “Emma” was embroidered on the blanket she was wrapped in when she was put in the closet.
And Rumply didn’t tell the Queen Emma’s name, because the Queen made her bargain before Rumply was given the name.
Whether the Mayor knows seems to be the most interesting mystery of the series so far. People seem to be split. I’m in the doesn’t remember camp. As she was carving out her father’s heart, she said that she could be happy, but not in the fairy tale world. She wanted to forget her pain.
Thats one interpetation - but I took it that the only way she felt she could be happy would be if no one else was happy - especially Snow White.
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also, what is so confusing about the queen’s actions wrt to charming this episode? a guy in a coma woke up and her wife claims him. her kid repeatedly runs away from home to hang out with this bondsperson who keeps feeding his weird fairy-tale fantasy.
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you’re actually buying the Mayor’s story that charming had been talking in his sleep? The wife showing up at “just the opportune moment” is just a bit too contrived/convenient and was clearly at the mayor’s doing - she knows the implications if Snow and Him getting together.
But - thats fine - we shall see what we shall see…
It’s both. She wanted to forget her pain and make everyone else forget their happiness, especially Snow White.
I took it to mean that she wanted to be happy, and that the only way she could be happy again, she thought, would be if everyone else who got their happy endings, lost them and she got to gloat about it. What’s the point of taking away everyone else’s happy ending if you don’t remember that you want them to be unhappy?
Kind of a dog in the manger outlook, I suppose, prompted by the fact that she blamed Snow White for losing her happy ending. Assuming that’s what she means by Snow ruining her life.
The mayor definitely knows. Her actions make no sense otherwise.
I’m really liking the last couple episodes. Thanks for the heads-up about the unicorn; I just thought maybe there was something in the queens’ backgrounds that made that unicorn especially important.
Put me in the camp of the queen knowing exactly what’s going on.
Why’d Mayor McQueeny want Henry anyway? If she knew Emma’s identity, I could see how controlling her kid (or attempting to anyway) might be something she thought she could use to her advantage, but since she apparently doesn’t know, so what’s the point? She clearly isn’t the maternal type.
That’s assuming she does know who she herself is, if she somehow doesn’t (looking more and more unlikely after the Prince Coma stuff) then it could make some sort of sense.
She wanted Henry to fill the void/hole in her heart - she sent Mr. Gold (rumplestiltskin) to find her an adotable kid - She did not know at the time that it was Emma’s child - and Rumplestiltskin has not told her of the role that Emma play’s.
All she truly knows at this point is that Henry is filling a void in her life (he’s her unicorn pony) and that Emma is a threat to that - she’s very aware of the individuals around her and who they/she is - and until now has not had to work to keep charming and snow apart.
Has anyone else been trying to work out what time is doing in this show?
I mean, think about it. Emma grew up, but everyone in that town is the same age they were in Happy Ever After Land (HEAL, from now on). The adults in Storybrook are apparently not aging, and not noticing they aren’t aging, but Henry IS growing older, and for some reason has not said to Emma that the adults never get older in his home town. Do the other children age? Do they notice that their parents aren’t changing? Is the apparent changelessness of the adults part of the spell? Is it maybe everyone except Henry who is “stuck in time” and their memories are played with so they don’t notice that they should be older? Will Henry get stuck at a certain age, too, even though he is an outsider? Are the writers even going to acknowledge this?
Time. It’s what’s not happening.
Cue the last scene, where Snow and the Prince kiss, the wicked queen blows up, and Henry wakes up because it was all a dream.:eek:
The town is in some form of “stasis” - Emma grew up outside of the town and was gone from HEALCastle before the curse reached it.
Henry was born away from storybrook and outside the curse altogether and is therefore not subject to it - probably another reason that QueenMayor wanted to adopt - she got bored.
Its hard to say how ‘aware’ the townsfolk are that time is not ‘really’ passing - clearly day to day events happen and its not groundhogging.
The clock never moved until Emma came to town. Maybe she has restarted time as well.
I think about the time issue all the time…
The suspension of disbelief that the 8 year old is the only person who ages while every other man/woman/child maintains is almost one too big to take on. Who delivers the groceries? Does anyone ever move TO storybrook? “Bad” things happen when people move away, but what about vacation? Where’s the border? All sorts of curse-specific implications.
Never mind vacation. What about jobs? Where’s the money coming from to support all these people? If they’re importing groceries, what do they export (in terms of labor or goods) to bring in money to pay for stocking the grocery store, the hardware store, the clothing stores, etc.? What about TAXES?!! You know the IRS would be all over this town.
I’m liking the story so far, but the real world details nag at me in the middle of the work day.