Hey im not catholic but i agree that homosexuality is wrong. 
Not that I agree with the stance, but I can’t see how anyone is surprised that the Pope wants the law to agree with his religious doctrine. If the law freely allows all of the things his religion considers wrong, then his flock will still be surrounded by it, right?
If I were an avid follower, I’d be PISSED if he just shrugged his shoulders and said “we don’t make the law”. We should go out and do the “right” thing and try to stop all of this “bad” stuff from happening.
I would hope that even an avid follower would understand the whole live-and-let-live concept. I know many if not most don’t, though.
I saw a movie like that once.
Doin’ the Vatican Rag!
Well, the Church still pretty much considers it to be a Bad Thing to not be a Catholic, but they no longer want that to be enforced by the state.
At the risk of trying to teach a being with no vocal chords to sing, defend the assertion that homosexuality is wrong.
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It could be that he’s just not doing it right.
Do you have any idea just how much time and effort it takes to find a steady supply of young boys to have sex with, then the constant struggle to conceal evidence? I imagine they are quite busy, indeed!
Is this a good place for one of these? ;j
“Why walk all the way to London when you can make a fortune on you back here at home?”
Why on earth did you put a happy face on such a hateful statement? After your soon-to-be-posted refutation of homosexuality, I look forward to your attack on having blue eyes or being lefthanded.
Hint: You can’t disagree with sexual orientation any more than you can with skin, hair, or eye color. All the arguing in the world will not change my eyes from green to blue or my hair from auburn to red, and neither will it make my hormones surge to curvaceous babes instead of muscular hunks.
I’d place a bet but I’m still trying to pry apart all these stuck-together pages in my Sear’s catalog. You’ll just have to sit and wait, tiger.
Right, but there’s nothing wrong in itself with advocating a change in the law, or in seeking to use the law to reflect certain societal values. Those people seeking to change the law to include legal recognition of gay relationships are also “forcing their values” on society…they’re seeking to change the law to reflect their values.
Hey, the Pope has the right to guide Catholic politicians in how he (the church) feels they should legislate. It’s his job to guide his flock-- and that means the Catholic priests, the bricklayers, the secretaries, and the politicans.
If you don’t like the way the Catholic politicians are voting (should they choose to follow the Pope’s lead here), then don’t vote for them. The end.
Large organizations try and tell politicians how to vote every fucking day of the year. Unions, big tobacco, corporations, NRA, NOW, ACLU, NAACP, and, yes, religious organizations. Some of these organizations that lobby Congress hold positions I don’t argree with. Sometimes politicians listen to those lobbyists and vote for something I don’t agree with. Whoop-de-doo.
If this sort of lobbying pisses you off, tell it to the ballot box.
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“Those people seeking to change the law to include legal recognition of gay relationships” are not seeking to force straight people to marry those of their own sex, nor are they trying to make straight marriage illegal. They are trying to change laws that effect only themselves. And the Pope should concern himself only with Catholics.
Your eyes are green? That is just so wrong!
Underlining mine.
Just curious… Is striving for equality across the board “forcing their values” on society? If it is, how so?
Well, except the laws don’t affect only themselves, but the whole society. They affect gay people most directly, of course, but they also affect society. When the state says “You two people are married”, what it is saying is, “This state and society grants your relationship a legal recognition, which carries with it certain legal rights and responsibilities, from inheritance, to survivor benefits and pensions, to custody of children.” So allowing gay marriage affects not only gay people who will now get these legal rights and responsibilities, but also society, who will now say, “Your relationship is worthy of these rights and responsibilities”, and also will spend state money to maintain them. If someone’s spouse is entitled to their spouse’s old age benefits on that spouse’s death, as is the case in the US with Social Security, the state, and every single one of us, indirectly through our taxes, would have to pay benefits to the surviving gay spouse.
And the pope is concerning himself only with Catholics. His instructions and advice is restricted only to Catholic politicians.
Wow, you’re surprised that a man claiming to be god’s work tries to influence how the entire population live their lives, even if they are never a member of his church?
Wait, are we talking about the Pope here?
It is, because the idea that gay relationships should be equal to straight relationships is itself a moral value.
How about this, from a former Presiding Bishop (equivalent to Pope but don’t let HIM hear that ;)) of the largest Lutheran confederation in the US?