You mean named after two “freedom fighters”?
One of wich was certainly violent and who literaly waged a terrorist campaign against loyalists.
The other one is a true martyr, murdered for the cause.
Good examples chappy..
So I take it you concede that at least some of the targets, i.e. people launching rockets, are in effect using human shields by launching from densely populated areas when they could be launching from other areas?
So is your position that if the majority of people who live in a geographic area want independence for that area, then whoever happens to be in charge should “negotiate statehood” with them?
And what exactly does it mean to “negotiate statehood” with someone? Do you just keep offering them concessions without expecting or asking for anything in return?
If the Palestinian sites where rockets are being launched from are being pulverised into oblivion, what evidence is there going to be of how the rocket was launched?
How capable are Palestinian forensic experts at being able to sift through the rubble to find these rocket launchers?
I’d find it just as likely that Mossad were setting off remote attacks to further the perverted aims of their paymasters, than that Hamas were still deliberately endangering civilians at this stage of the game, knowing how eager Israel is to bring on Armageddon a little bit early, especially for them.
Probably it was the same Mossad operatives who were behind 9/11.
… aaaaaand dimmy has gone off the deep end.
yeah, because Martin Luther King martyred himself by strapping bombs into a suicide vest and boarding a bus full of civilians before he blew himself up. And , yeah. George Washington ,if he had had modern rockets, would have aimed them straight into the nursery schools classrooms of his enemy..
Deaths, let alone civilian deaths, let alone children being killed, are never a good thing. Given the nature of this conflict I am content to see the outcome being as fewer of those happening than I was expecting.
For Israel this was a measured, restrained, proportionate response. A path was found to accept what they accomplished and to avoid going in with ground troops this time which would have caused many more civilian deaths and much more damage. Good for the citizens of Gaza and good for the international perception of the Israeli administration.
Wonderful to see that “the Iron Dome” prevented many more civilian and child deaths, and for other regional actors to see that it works.
Fantastic to see Morsi step up to the plate as a responsible leader. This was a big test for him and he demonstrated that he could play to the crowds while also getting Gazan Hamas to basically unconditionally capitulate to the same degree or greater degree they would have eventually if Israel had ended up having to go in with ground troops an damaging both sides more, both in deaths, infrastructure, and political positioning for the future.
Really.
Warned for trolling.
Okay, I should have been more precise and said “rogue Mossad operatives.” Am I forgiven now?
What’s that you say? I need evidence that there are rogue Mossad operatives? Do I also have to provide evidence that the NSA don’t do everything by the book? Or that CIA operatives didn’t run lucrative sidelines in narcotics trading?
It is not beyond the realms of espionage and counter-insurgency that one player might move the other player’s pawns.
Even though I was in the middle of rephrasing my comments while you were posting my warning?
Yes. I’ll be generous and not give you a second warning for the second post, but you need to stop this stupidity now.
**dimmy **-- just as a reminder, the PLO was founded in 1964, 3 years before the West Bank and Gaza became controlled by Israel. so it’s extremely disingenuous to claim that the Palestinian Opposition came about as a result of The Occupation. Maybe one needs to look a little bit deeper than “It’s all Israel’s fault!” when trying to understand the situation.
… Unless you believe that the founding of Israel, even within the pre-1967 borders, was unjust and you think Hamas is right and Israel should be erased from the face of the Earth. In which case, come and get me! 
Also…
playing infantile word games with the name of a country does not make your arguments stronger.
ETA before posting: your little dance around the question of the rocket launches being “inside job” False Flag operations… There ain’t enough rolleyes :rolleyes:^∞
Okay, I get it. There are no False Flag ops, EVAH and Mossad are as pure at heart as freshly fallen Alpine snow.
I’ll leave the debate to the grown-ups, now.
OK, let’s assume, arguendo, that it is possible that some percentage of the roughly 1,500 rockets launched on Israel were actually False Flag ops.
What percentage do you believe were Flase Flag, and what percentage do you believe were really Hamas? 99%/1%? 50%/50%? Something else?
FTR, I’ll state that I believe the percentage is 0%/100% (i.e., 0% False Flag, 100% genuine Hamas (& Islamic Jihad, & al…) terrorism.
Your play.
I’m sure he would have, yes.
The American revolutionairies were not a pretty bunch. You had your own “Reign of Terror”.
You do realise that on avarage some 40% of the population in the colonies was pro-British?
Ever wonder what happenend to them?
Give me a detailed map with every firing location and date on it and I’d take on your question.
If you can’t provide precise details, I’m not even sure I should believe any particular one was ever fired.
Why? How will that help you?
That’ll be that second warning. This silliness is over, so other posters are instructed not to engage dimmy derko about his conspiracy theory.
Who knows. Maybe there’s a recognisable pattern, like they always occur prior to an election and in places where a sneaky person could come and go unnoticed, even carrying what looked like a few bits of piping on a porter’s trolley.
Oh, right, I see how this place is being moderated.