Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread

I reckon it’s both - clearly, in-universe it’s just Tarquin being his prickish self, but on a meta level there’s no way in hell Burlew wasn’t aware that this was going to stir up exactly those kinds of conspiracy theories among his more prognosticating fanbase.

He’s gone on the record as saying he disliked this hyper-analytic tendency among his fans because when they get it right he feels a need to change his plans ; and he’s certainly played with these sorts of expectations before (e.g. Tsukiko stumbling upon Miko’s corpse, thinking about raising her as some cool antipaladin undead then going “naaaah that’d be retarded”). This feels like more of the same, or at least coming from the same place.

If it were Thog prentending to be Tarquin pretending to be Thog, we would have a little green around those eyes peeping out from the mask.

Burlew knows that anything he could possibly put in the comic will stir up crazy conspiracy theories among the fanbase. It’s not like he has to take that into account in his planning, because it’s guaranteed to happen regardless.

I was just thinking that however this fight works out, somehow it’ll leave intact with Tarquin his mistaken notion that Elan is really the leader/brains of the OOTS. Damned if I know how that could happen at this point.

Hey, you remember what he told Nale back in 820, right? After revealing in 819 that he of course saw through the OOTS, who thought they’d just conned him?

NALE: “You knew I was watching the whole time, but said nothing? … I suppose you knew about my drow spy from the start, too … But you look like a fool for being ignorant!”
TARQUIN: “So what? Better to look the fool than be one.”

Assume that Elan can’t possibly be as foolish as he looks and it makes sense for Tarquin to figure he takes after dear old dad; the problem is, Elan actually is that foolish.

And somehow, that is going to come back and bite him in the ass, enabling the OOTS to come out on top.

“My chief rabbit told me to guard this tunnel, and so here I will stay.”

I’ve never been sure of this. I think Elan is only playing the fool, part of being a bard, and is secretly a lot smarter than he appears. He certainly has moments of intelligence.

That presumes Elan is being deceitful and deceit appears to be completely absent from his character.

In a manner of speaking, maybe. What he’s doing is playing a role. All actors are liars, but that doesn’t make them dishonest.

He’s an illusionist. He’s all about deceiving people.

He’s a bard…

I like to think that Elan is a really smart person who decided to not play a powerful/smart character for once as a challenge. And he’s also pretending to be earnest to his fellow gamers as part of a side-bet with Roy.

I would like to go on record that this was a joke. A joke! Don’t you people know a joke when you hear one?

Obviously it’s a joke, I’m not sure how much more clearly could he make it that Girard is using illusion to pretend to be Thog, Pretending to be Tarquin, Pretending to be Thog.

I thought he was still pretending to be a dead? Did I miss a memo?

Ah, Bigwig and Hazel-rah. That was such a great moment … .

But he’s fully prepared to expose his deepest secrets because he has nothing to hide from anyone and his heart is free of all doubt and fear. cite And he knows that he won’t get his happy ending if he isn’t honest. cite

Not that I’m aware of, and he’s doing a darn good job of it, too.

…Only the funy ones.

:stuck_out_tongue: Sorry. You left yourself wide open with that one. :stuck_out_tongue: I got whooshed. I thought you were another wild conspiracy hound.

It would be just like Burlew to set it up where all the normal conventions tell us Thog is still alive and later reveal that he really was killed. I can just see some character saying, “Of course he’s dead. We dug up his corpse and everything. Why on earth would you think he’s alive? Didn’t you see him get crushed under a mountain of rocks? How could he have lived through that?”