We do know that Soon & co couldn’t bring Kraagor back after the Snarl killed him.
Anyone else half-expecting to find Kraagor alive on the other side at some point?
If there was really ever a Snarl, which I’m not certain of now. I’m almost certain that Kraagor made it to “Snarl World”, (for wont of a better name), and we will meet him when, (not if) the OotStick enter. Whilst I think the OotScr would have tried to save/retrieve Kraggor if they thought it possible I can imagine the situation appearing to be a case of K touches the portal, appears to disappear soul and all, gate back is somewhere K can’t get back to, although he made it safely though. From Scribble’s perspective K has been obliterated.
The Snarl line was probably just fed to them by the gods, the pictures of the Snarl provided to mirror (wotshisnameagaintheoldguywiththecat)'s story
I guess that’s a “yes” then. Ninja!
Wait, didn’t Kragor die because he got caught in the blast radius of something (and presumably didn’t make his save)?
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html
So he wasn’t unmade by the snarl or anything.
EDIT: ah, he was sealed by the snarl sealing spell. Although we do know that the snarl can kill gods.
We know that the gods claim that something called “the Snarl” can kill gods. Or more precisly we know Shogo claims that his predecessor claimed that his predecessor claimed… …that the Snarl can kill gods. Personally I think that what Shogo told OotS was absolute truth as he understood it, and exactly as Soon and the rest of OotScri believed was the case. I think it is certainly a lie by the gods though. How big a lie, and whether the Snarl even exists, is yet to be seen.
But we also know that the Dark One told Redcloak that the Snarl can kill gods. And there’s nothing which could make the Dark One want to lie about this, because it is either a form of power that improves the Dark One’s bargaining position, or it isn’t and the Dark One wouldn’t bother trying to control it in the first place.
Whilst I also don’t think the Dark One is playing a fully honest game with Redcloak, (I haven’t read SoD so I’m only going on the one strip in the main comic, plus side discussions about the events in SoD), the Dark One wasn’t present during the creation of the world and so doesn’t know exactly what went down, he is also relying on what he has been told.
I can’t help but wonder if the whole Snarl thing is just a McGuffin. The gods and the Dark One are playing a game, and using everybody as pawns. (Of course they are, silly. But I mean literally.) Whoever gets control of the Snarl “wins” the point for that side, and the loser owes the winner $1.
And of course it’s possible that whatever the Snarl was, it is no longer. Perhaps it has decided to become a god itself and created a world of its own to rule over within the confines of its “prison”.
If ‘The Snarl’ did not kill the Olympians, then who or what did?
I don’t have an answer to Gagundather’s question. But I’m rereading #275 and was struck by this:
So the planet at the time of creation existed in multiple dimensions. Has breaking the gates weakened the dimensional locks, causing multiple (once identical?) versions of this planet to exist, one in each dimension? Is that what the gates are showing us in the comic? Will we some day meet OOTS-prime on the other side?
And the first thing Durkon says when he sees him is “Dad?”
Okay, not going to happen. The strip has a pretty solid chronology and Durkon was born ten years after Kraagor disappeared/died.
Are dwarves long enough lived for him to even be alive? Soon and Girard died of old age; Soon died when Shojo was a child, so it’s been many, many years since Kraagor was “snarled”.
Yes, I think Dwarves are fairly long lived.
In comic #732, Durkon says he’s 55 years ald.
Dwarves can live to be over four hundred years old.
In 3.5 rules, or Tolkien?
First one, then the other.
What Olympians Remember, Durkon the cleric had never heard of the Olympians until Shojo mentioned them, and if a cleric hasn’t, fair to say most of the common people haven’t either (as showed by Roy’s reaction).
This is not to say I think the Snarl story is a fabrication, just that there isn’t any evidence for it outside of one old man’s story.
Although in Middle-Earth it was notable that Dain Ironfoot was considered elderly at the age of 250-odd, and when he died during the War of the Ring Gandalf mourned, but also rejoiced that the old king was still in good enough shape to go down fighting in quite grand style standing over the body of his friend and neighbour Brand son of Bain son of Bard.