Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread

Ignore everything you ever see on dandwiki. Some of it is accurate, but it’s mixed in with so many errors, bad homebrew, amateur “balance” fixes, and fanfiction that it’s impossible to tell what.

d20srd.org isn’t official either, but takes much greater care to get it right, and almost never has actual mistakes about the rules.
Back to the comic, I love V’s “–a spellcaster capable of casting the appropriate spell, actually, but given fresh empirical observations, then yes. Giant clerics.”

And seriously, why not call up one of those giant pink hands to interpose? (yes, “interpose”, which is precisely the right word for what they do.)

Face? That panel has Haley taking the brunt of the axe on her…

…elsewhere.

So that axe probably did 3d6+13+28 (max power attack), or about 51 points of damage. 153 on a crit.

In pathfinder, I’ve seen a full-HP warpriest buddy slain by a single greataxe crit from a frost giant, and a cavalier nearly slain (negative hp with 2 rounds until death) by the same thing.

Frost giant greataxes are no laughing matter.

Thanks. Now I’ve got that stupid old hedgehog video running through my head. [axe-wound]

Errr V and Haley might be good, but now they’re taking on Team Cleric. *Giant *Team Cleric - clerics with a big sack of hitpoints and ridiculous stats even before buffing. This is gonna hurt.

Not that the Order does anything even halfway optimized, but if any of y’all were giving them advice, how would you fight this battle as it stands? I first thought some mass disabling spell (Confusion, Symbol of Fear, etc…) might do the trick, but those aren’t likely to work against a Frost Giant cleric’s skyhigh Will and Fortitude saves. Are there any mass disabling spells that rely on Reflex saves? EDIT: I guess Sunburst would be good, especially as that’d let Burlew tell everyone that V can cast 8th Level spells now.

A lot of it depends on what spells V has left, of course, and what Roy and Elan are up to. Oh, and whether the Order cares about Belkar getting caught in whatever avalanche V might drop on the clerics’ heads.

There’s no indication that Power Attack was used.

I may be missing a finer point of the 3.5 rules, but isn’t the point of a bow to stay out of greataxe-to-the-face range, invisibility notwithstanding?

True. But I had to assume Haley’s got “Elsewhere Armor” on to protect her. But her chin/mouth/teeth are pretty exposed to the end of the axe.

The problem with that plan is twofold; firstly, frost giants have an average of 133hp, while a single arrow from Haley’s bow delivers an average of 10.5hp without sneak attack, meaning Haley would use an average of 13 arrows to kill a single frost giant. Being able to add sneak attack damage (an average of 28 assuming 8d6 sneak attack dice) reduces that to four, which she can deliver in a single round, but to utilise sneak attaack with a missile weapon she has to approach to 30’ or less of the target. Since the giant has a reach of 10’ normally (iirc) Haley has only a narrow band of safety.

The second flaw is that the giants also have missile weapons. Combine this with the relatively short duration of the Greater Invisibility spell and you can see why Haley won’t want to spend three or four rounds killing one frost giant.

How about Disintegrate on the mountain ledge below the giants? The fall might not kill them but it’ll keep them busy while the Mechane passes.

Victory conditions aren’t death and defeat, after all.

I think that if I were Vaarsuvius, I would lead off with a Greater Dispel Magic. A lot of clerics’ power comes from long-duration buffs that they can cast on themselves, and a Dispel would negate much of that power (exactly how much would depend on the level difference between V and the giants, but that’s probably considerable).

There’s the bit I was missing. I’m only familiar with 5e, and there’s no distance limitation on Sneak Attack in 5e.

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Poor V. The DM always likes to remind players of their poorly worded requests. Wish is only the most well known example.

I do find it amazing how good V is at suggesting radically different courses of action.

Wait, there’s not?

(checks book)

Huh, you’re right. You’d think I’d have noticed that at some point in the past nine levels of playing a 5e rogue.

One thing you learn in classroom management is that forbidding specific acts is terrible, since the little miscreants can always find something else bad to do. “No hitting, kicking, pinching, or biting,” you say? Trust that some kid will decide that “slapping” is fair game. Instead, you say what you want: “Keep your body to yourself and keep yourself and other kids safe.”

V could benefit from a few days of training on classroom–err, frost giant–management. As a different suggestion, “Look, friends,” V could say: “There is no need for conflict. Instead of fighting us, I suggest that you race each other to that mountain way off in the distance–see the one I’m pointing at? Last one there’s a rotten frostwyrm!”

The last time he did Suggestion, he told Enor to sit on his hands. Not bad, but could have been better. It stopped Enor from fighting them, but didn’t get rid of him. Your idea sounds even better.

From the look of it when she’s getting up, her face wasn’t wounded, although she got her bell rung. Her ‘elsewhere’ armor, assuming she had any, wasn’t totally effective, though.

Lovely, lovely elsewhere.

Agreed… but if you try anything, Elan will kill you.