Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread

And can I just point out the excellent Adobe joke on page 9, top panel.

For those of you not receiving this:

The heros are in a city. In the background there are various businesses, including an adobe building labelled “Adobe”. On the roof is just visible a person holding another person upside down and shaking money out of their pockets into a bag held by a third person.

Hmmph.

We need a thread about OOtS kickstarter fulfillments, so the rest of us don’t get our hopes up when the plot discussion thread pops in with an update.

Well,

That was depressing.

Given that it happens at about a rate of once every four years, I’m not sure that it’s worth its own thread.

And to @Peter_Morris: yes it was. Apart from the aforementioned joke.

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Two notes:

1: The Order, at least the veteran members, are working as a well-oiled, coordinated team, here. And they’re even on the ball enough to be able to quickly catch up their new allies.

2: Belkar’s brooch still pains him to activate. There’s been a lot of character development, there, but apparently still not yet enough to qualify for an alignment change.

Hmmm… the offer to kill Xykon is probably legit, given the obvious “enemy of my enemy” angle between two evil factions with clashing goals, but the Order would be idiots to trust him.

Will Haley’s arrow ned to be iron or silver to do any good? I’m not up on the details with these things.

So long as her bow is magical - and it is, not to mention minty fresh - she shouldn’t have a problem. Either the missile weapon or the missile have to be magical to hurt a fiend.

If we don’t get a new one before the 1st of next year, this will make for 22 new comics this year, same as 2024 and 1 more than 2023.

In 3rd edition, the bow being magical isn’t enough for devils. The weaker ones require that a weapon be either silver or good-aligned. Medium ones require good-aligned, and the strongest require that it be both silver and good-aligned. Haley’s bow almost certainly isn’t holy, and her arrows likely aren’t, so unless Nale still only has least-devil DR (like imps and lemures), it’ll still be an issue.

On the other hand, that just subtracts a fixed amount from damage, and it’s only around 15 points at most. If she’s getting Sneak Attacks, she’s probably looking at around 33 damage per attack, so over half would still get through.

The minty freshness probably won’t matter: That’s an extra 1d6 cold to each attack, and almost all devils have 10 cold resist. It might matter on a crit, though, where she’d be dealing 1d6+2d10 cold (her “minty fresh” bow has the Icy Burst property).

Plus we got another Kickstarter reward. That was a lot of additional comics. Is that the last of them?

Getting deep into the weeds on 3rd edition, but weapons with a high enough bonus can bypass types of damage reduction, depending on how high the bonus is. A +3 weapon counts as both silver and cold iron for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction.

I doubt this will come up in the comic, though.

It works that way in 3.5? I never played that way and I can’t find reference to that in the SED under either magic weapons, enchantment bonuses, or damage reduction. But it could certainly be somewhere I am missing.

I do see reference to this being the case in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous, and I see that this supposedly follows PNP Pathfinder rules, but is it also in 3.5?

No, there’s Cliffport PD, Sir Francois, Julio Scoundrel and a mystery prize to go.

That might have been the rule in 3.0, which only applied for a fraction of one comic. In 3.5, though, there’s no distinction between different levels of “magic” (which could be anything from +1 to +5). The only distinction on the bonus is when you get to “epic” (a bonus of +6, which isn’t ordinarily obtainable).

But getting back to a narrative standpoint, it doesn’t make sense that the Order and Nale will fight at this point, since that would render all of the setup with Nale irrelevant. Most likely, either they do take his offer of help after all, or he teleports away to show up again at the Big Fight to “help” in his own way.

Huh, I might be back-porting the rule from Pathfinder.

Wouldn’t be the first time.

Maxim 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less.

I thought we’d gotten Julio Scoundrel. Huh, i really have lost track.

Holy crap! It’s been 13 years since he hurt his thumb? Is it still slowing him down? I’m honestly wondering if it was that bad of a cut. I do keep thinking of the accident and that’s why he’s been slow!

Yes, Dim Sun was definitely depressing. I wonder if he had done it closer to then what the story would have been?

Thanks for the updates! Thanks for the discussion!