He campaigned on letting the Bush tax cuts expire. He might have4 talked about cutting taxes for those who make less than 250K but it was a whisper compared to the shouts for letting the bush tax cuts expire.
Why don’t you tell us what this is about. What’s really going on?
extending them would have been cutting taxes. For example if my cable company gives me half price cable for 3 months when I sign up and then starts charging me what they charge everyone else. I guess you could say that they raised my cable prices by 100% percent but to any reasonable observer, my discount period has just lapsed. If they extended my discount for another 9 months then I would call that more discount rather than more of the same.
Then you’re probably making more money than you used to OR you’re not doing it right.
Reading comprehension fail.
Orrin Hatch: “Democrats always want to raise taxes”.
OP: “Demorats have actually lowered taxes, including during the last Congress when they had complete control”.
So, Orrin is clearly lying, Democrats to not always want to raise taxes. In fact, they have very recently lowered them. More than once (the stimulus also had tax cuts in it).
To be fair, he only campaigned on letting the expire for the top bracket (or two?). Not the entirety of them.
He wasn’t able to do that, obviously, because the Dems were scared shitless (as usual) about GOP campaign threats in the mid-terms. Naturally the Dems got routed anyways, and now Medicare is on the chopping block. Well played, Dems.
I believe this is from the “Thank you sir, may I have another” school of negotiating.
No, Obama and certain unnamed Congresscritters always want to raise taxes - it is just that they are sometimes too frightened or incompetent to be able to do so.
It would be anyway - Obamacare requires substantial cuts to Medicare in order to be deficit neutral.
Unless you are suggesting that we need to raise taxes, in which case Hatch’s statement is, again, hyperbole at worst and clinically accurate in many cases at best.
I am, however, considering the adoption of “Demorats” as my default term. Thanks.
Regards,
Shodan
GOP believes all taxes are theft - they would complain about $10 a year. (I don’t receive a paycheck, but weren’t withholding taxes lowered recently? The only thing wrong with Obama is that he’s letting the GOP push him around.)
Now SHODAN knows what they think. Yow, how can you win. The DEms cut taxes, but secretly they wanted to raise them ,therefore it does not count.
Not only can he can peer into their very souls, and not only can he see what they are thinking, but indeed, what they may* potentially ever think at any time.*
This is some powerful shit.
List follows, in aphabetical order, of people who don’t give a shit.
Aardvaark, Aaron A.
Aardvaark, Anthony…
How could you possibly know this?
What else can we look at re: Obama’s intentions regarding taxation than the bills he actually signed - which so far have included very few tax increases and massive tax cuts???
Oh, and feel free to use “Demorats”, it’s pretty much default over at freerepublic (although they also like Democraps, so you have some options). At least it would fit in with the rest of your debating skillset.
Oh, nevermind, it was probably not intended to be a factual statement.
Idiots on the right … it’s not that Democrats *always *want to raise taxes, it’s that they realize that sometimes taxes need to be raised. This isn’t the same as rubbing their hands together and cackling with glee because they managed to soak all the suckers they represent.
As opposed to the Republican party, who thinks that taxes should never be raised for any reason. In fact, Hatch is doing the Bizzaro world thing. It’s Republicans who *always *want to cut taxes. If they managed to get the tax rate down to 0%, they’d start working on a plan to institute taxes in the negative per cent range.
The power of logic and reasonableness is insignificant compared to the power of The Shodan Mind Field
I do have to say bravo to the Dem Senators that are getting debates (and hopefully a vote) on this. If only we could get the House on the record, too…
Voted against cutting $2 bill a year from oil company subsidies. Voted for converting Medicare to a voucher system. Which priorities match yours?
I really got a chuckle at my newest Senator’s rebuttal - if we eliminate these subsidies then gas prices will go up and the taxpayer’s will foot the bill. Um, aren’t we already footing the bill for the subsidies?? :smack:
Actually, the anti-tax stance of many Republicans and conservatives is only a cover. Their real enemy is government spending–all of it (except for defense). To many on the right, it doesn’t matter if a particular program is or isn’t wasteful or inefficient because they are diametrically opposed to the government doing anything that isn’t related to the defense of American interests or explicitly stated in the original Constitution. However, there isn’t much call for eliminating these programs if–like in late 90s–the government is running a surplus. Thus, tax cuts (which are nearly always popular) are employed so that the government will start running deficits and they’ll have a politically defensible reason to cut spending. It’s like a candy-coated cod-liver oil pill.
Or unless it’s pork for their district or for their friends. Halliburton, anyone? I realize that was supposed to be for defense…but just WHO was the Halliburton CEO?
But an informed opinion would be so out of place surrounded by all the political knee jerk accusations and justifications of the right and left whiners on this board.