Seriously. And I thought the 2-digit pages on shooting intruders were ridiculous.
Yes, yes. Demons. Sure. Great. Whatever.
But what I want to know from the OP is: what is the name of the professor he’s talking to at Liverpool University?
Some Dopers might believe there is a similar one for Republicanism. 
Pre birth? You mean they visited you before you existed? Damn, those buggers are resourceful!
So the demons wanted you to tie to another’s soul so they could torture your body and hurt the other person? Why not just torture the other guy themselves? From the way you’ve described them, they can do virtually anything.
I do believe they may influence people into conservatism (get what they deserve) or liberalism (through guilt)
No before I was born I still was, as God created me in the hidden places underground (Ps 139:15), that was not at birth.
Again I don’t know what would happen, but we have to let them into us. If we don’t have a weakness towards a tendency a soul tie to someone with such a weakness could do that.
I find your parenthetical comments confusing and somewhat disturbing. You think that people become liberal out of guilt?
Okay, so why couldn’t the spirits just tie people’s souls together arbitrarily? If you touching the other dude could do it, then clearly no permission is required. Bored spirits could just quickly tie the entire population of the planet’s souls to somebody an instant before they’re fatally shot, just for laughs.
I believe it may be a possibility. Social programs IMHO don’t help, but they appear to help, and therefore relieve the sense of guilt. The only true solution is the Love of God, which can’t be government mandated.
I don’t know all the rules they have to follow, I do know we have to give them a foot hold.
But what is the source of this guilt, and why does it only affect liberals?
Surely the people of the world would have to agree they were loving the same one first?
True solution to what? Improving gay rights? Removing poorly-thought out laws against the milder drugs? Legalizing abortions? (I’m thinking… not.)
And I forgot to ask - when somebody gets the Love of God, do all the poor people in the world suddenly stop being poor, or does the person who gets the Love of God just stop caring about the poor people they can’t help?
We can all be effected by a sense of guilt, this is not the guilt I am talking about however, but guilt over a life choice we made at the beginning. IMHO after God creates us we all are visited and tempted by the enemy. They offer us something that sounds good, much like what Eve was offered. Some people sign up for really hurting another person, perhaps killing/aborting them at some point in their life.
There is no time as we know it in the spiritual realm and after we agree to their terms they can set up our lives to cause that to happen, we gave them that authority over our lives. Since we signed up for this to happen we can be accused for that sin, and we take that as a sense of guilt because we feel that we hurt/killed a person, and we try to ‘repay’ that by helping others. Spiritually though that sin can never be repaid, so it locks us into perpetual guilt, and trying to pay for it by offering programs that we think will help (but won’t). Again IMHO
The person themselves gets forgiven of their sins and set free from guilt and wanting revenge, etc. That person is refined by God and God will care and provide for that person at the level He decides. That person will be sent by God to the people He wants to help through that person.
Healing the exploited weaknesses which usually happens over time, which IMHO would be to correct all sexual immorality , drug abuse along with the need for drug use, turning the hearts of the parents to the children (no abortions).
Seek and you will find, it doesn’t really matter all paths will eventually lead through Jesus to God for those who seek God with all their hearts. As I stated my path went through demon worship to Jesus.
That’s a pretty wild story to spin to explain a phenomenon that there’s no reason to think is actually happening. (Not that wild stores about nonexistent phenomenon are exactly a new thing for you.)
And, are saying that you categorize liberals as people who have evil burned into their souls, whereas (one presumes) people who are apathetic to or care nothing about their fellow man are pure in spirit? Isn’t it more likely that, the people who are caring and sympathetic about the poor are actually just caring and sympathetic people, and the people who act like evil uncaring bastards, just occasionally, actually are?
So, the person stops caring about all those poor who God doesn’t send them too, then. (Assuming he sends them to help anyone at all.)
So in other words, God is against liberal rights, and turning to god doesn’t solve of these problems but instead turns you into someone who doesn’t want these rights, so you think it’s okay to take them away from other people too, regardless of additional problems caused by them (the violence and costs of drug smuggling and envorcement, the tragedy of unwanted babies, etc). Got it.
According to you, no moral liberal (or conservative) should seek god, lest they have their morality ripped out. Not that I’ve seen anything appealing about God-as-you-describe-it yet.
No ALL have gone astray and have fallen short of the glory of God. We all have our issues and weaknesses.
You become part of the body of Christ. You will be given tasks, part of that is trusting that God knows about those other people who need help and trust that He will send someone there also.
These things can’t be done in human effort, as one heads the calling they will be refined, they will no longer not want their children, no longer want to be promiscuous, no longer feel the need for drugs/alcohol.
But until that person comes to Christ and the refining process reaches those levels, the sins are what one is doing to deal with spiritual pain (they sin to get relief). Prohibiting those things would leave many people feeling real (though spiritua) pain. God ordered the angels not to rip out the weeds because it may harm the wheat.
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According to you, no moral liberal (or conservative) should seek god, lest they have their morality ripped out. Not that I’ve seen anything appealing about God-as-you-describe-it yet.
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If you want to harbor revenge or guilt in your heart and live your life trying to relieve pain, yea, I guess not seeking Him is the way to do that, sort of, maybe.
Just to shake the thread up a little, I’ve had spiritual “experiences” too. LSD, not NDE. And I saw the demons.
I saw Jesus too, and then some. I was at the Crucifixion–bathed in light from above–and I got the feeling that in order to follow him I had to be willing to be crucified myself. I agreed without hesitation and I was on the Cross myself for just an instant. (Mind you, I’ve always been skeptical of religion and still am.) I had passed the test and so I saw a bright Tunnel of Light like at the end of TRON. I felt like I had been “born again”.
Back to the demons: There were gargoyles and snakes and dragons-within-dragons trying to devour me in their flaming maw. At first they were trying to scare me, but then they started trying to tempt me with their snickering, leering grins. Demonic Temptation.
But the real breakthrough came when I realized these were not outside supernatural entities but a reflection of the evil, evolutionarily backwards side of my own soul or psyche and that I take responsibility for it. The scene then changed and became bright and cosmic and wonderful. I saw the faces of wise, benevolent gurus and a lot of “Eastern” imagery in addition to Jesus and the Tunnel of Light.
A lot of this might be written off as the product of cultural bias, so I don’t deign to make absolute factual claims about supernatural activity (but why would someone else’s cultural bias infect my psychedelic experience?). But it seemed that my id was being trained by my superego (i.e. God) as you would a dog, that is, with reward and punishment. A certain, more self-centered line of reasoning would cause the imagery to become darker, spookier and bat-wingy. A humbler, more giving and open line of thought would cause the imagery to become brighter, more flowery and stained-glass-windowey.
I think all this has something to do with Instinct, but that’s about as far as I can take it.
So are we humans not accountable for our own sins, since demons are constantly manipulating us? It really IS society’s fault!
It seems to me that whole chapter is a testimonial to God’s all-encompassing knowledge of the narrator. The narrator believes God has predestined his own existence, not that the narrator existed before he was born. Even so, how would demons share of God’s knowledge? Does God tell them? Are they as powerful as God?
So say if someone manages to stick to a certain diet, demons can destroy that person by having another person who overeats tie their souls together? Why not just exploit a weakness the dieter does have and eliminate the middleman?
GRRRRRRRR!!!
Maybe some of you think I’m frustrated, others might think I’m speaking n tongues,
but as I said in page one…
READ THE EFFIN ARTICLE FROM CECIL!
I wish threads were created by tv networks.
Now we can all say, “aaaaaand, we’re out!”
Good show everyone!
If someone throws eggs at the FAO Schwartz doors,
we are all to blame, awakening the spirits, god, Satan…
Good link, if you’re referring to your post 157. Thanks for it. Cecil didn’t write it, however, nor did he edit it. It was written by David on the Science advisory board and edited by Ed Zotti according to your link. All the same, still a worthwhile read, and worth posting again, in case people don’t want to go back and dig for it.
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