God held Adam and Eve accountable for their sin, and you can’t blame that one on society. If a demon comes to you in the womb and makes a deal with you, can that be blamed on society?, perhaps since there are sins of the father which would effect you.
The way it may happen is exactly how it happened w/ Adam and Eve, we are tempted before we know society, we are offered something that sounds appealing to us, and we all fall for it. The demons then have the right to cause those things to happen to us, and they will cause them their way, hate, anger, lust and as much of a lack of Love as they can manage.
Demons can see into the future, up to divine intervention, as there is no time in the spiritual as we know it, our whole life is visible to them, they know exactly where we will go, and where they must push us and how hard to accomplish what they want (like pushing a long clay string). Once God step into one’s live and changes it, it throws the demons off, if someone accepts Jesus, those demons no longer have a right to manipulate this person’s life (since Jesus has ransomed this person back) and they must depart, and God gets to mold our lives.
As for the places underground, my take on it, related to other scriptures is it may be Sheol - the abode of the dead, which is not Hell btw. I believe we are created complete underground and have full consciousness and a body is being made for us in the womb. We slowly integrate in our body, but are still very much in the spiritual existence, at which time certain deals are made with demons. This is a common mysticism belief where one chooses what type of life they want to lead, uncommon in main stream Christianity however.
When we are born and our sense come on line and the spirit (breath) enters us we lose much of the ability to sense the spiritual world and become grounded in the physical, which we have to learn to use that body. For dust you are and dust you will return, we will lose that physical body and fall back to underground. This place (Sheol) seems to be IMHO where Jonah spent 3 days, inside the body (of a fish in this case, not a womb) = decent underground “to the roots of the mountains I sunk down, the earth beneath barred me in forever”, which would relate to the hidden places underground in the psalm.
I would say that the soul tie could be used to tempt that person to eat, what types of food to eat, influence that person to go to places where they have tempting foods, etc. More importantly some people use food to relieve spiritual pain (modern term comfort food), by creating a soul tie with such a person you will feel some of their pain and use their method of relief - eating.
Taking such drugs IMHO (I never did drugs), let us tune out the physical, block out out physical minds, so we fall back to the spiritual, were demons are. If they appear as monsters, humans, or angels of light depend on what type of deal you have made with them (again IMHO). I am sure there is a meaning and you were meant to see it and them just as you did. What I got for it is that you are with demons, will accept Jesus, be crucified with him then all truths will be known to you.
Cite?
So drug-induced hallucinations are actually contact with the spirit world, and represent reality?
I believe some are.
Also just to throw another monkey wench into the press, I believe autistic children are ones that haven’t fully integrated into their physical bodies. They are intelligent, and ‘somewhere’ but not in our physical world.
Is there any way to distinguish between hallucinations that are real (contact with demons), and those that are not (generated by the drugs interacting with the brain)?
What possible evidence could you have for this belief?
Well, this is pretty off-topic, but kanicbird’s belief has reminded me that Australian researchers have wondered aloud whether changelings, often found in the folklore of northern Europe, were in fact autistic children whose odd behaviors were (obviously wrongly) attributed to supernatural influence.
– Tammi Terrell
I don’t know, they would have to be taken on a case by case basis.
This is fairly recent and I’m still seeing how it will work out. Talking to 2 people who work with autistic children, relating their experiences to me, what the children are able to tell them. It appears very much like these children are somewhere, fully intelligent and conscience and interacting with something, just not in our world, not fully in their bodies.
I believe some of the deals that are made can cut a child off of the Love that comes from the mother in the womb, it is the Love that draws the child into the body IMHO.
The suggestions I felt lead to share was to get emotionally attached, Love that child, physically touch/hug that child. It’s too early to see if there are results.
Would you like us to supply you with the definition of the word “evidence”, kanicbird?
An awful lot of people believe that, from various Native American cultures to Timothy Leary. Myself, I had no idea what to expect until I stumbled upon it.
They’re called entheogens.
And no, the demons weren’t real. Jesus affirmed to me that they were just refelctions of the evil side of my own soul.
kanicbird, you’re not seriously suggesting that autism is caused by a lack of maternal affection and deals she made with the devil while pregnant, are you? Did you fall out of a time warp?
No, the assumption is that the CHILD made the deal prior to being born.
Oh, well, that’s better, then.
I appreciate all the folks here keeping our resident anti-science posters occupied in this thread and therefore minimally impacting other ones.
When this thread peters out, let’s talk about ghosts again.
It’s the flypaper, fight-them-over-there strategy put positively into action.
“monkey wench” is the funniest typo I’ve seen for a while.
Just saying, like.
Even so, you have to have some kind of standard of judgement. Or is it all just a feeling, or a hunch, that forms your conclusion about the reality of each situation?