Our trivia final question last night was essentially unsolvable

I thought about putting this in the Pit, but the language is nice and clean. We played bar trivia last night, and were doing well until the final bonus, on which you can bet up to 15 points. We bet the max because our goal is always to get a top score whenever feasible, so we can secure a spot in the Top 10 and get a bye into the final.

Anyway, here’s the text of an email I sent to the league manager about the bonus:
I know sometimes I complain in emails about Last Call questions – but this is a bit different. We played last (Sunday) night’s game. We were doing quite well, right up to the final. It was this:

**Final – MUSIC – Identify the song title the following bands share:

  1. Maroon 5 and Soul Asylum
  2. Rehab and O.A.R.
  3. Radiohead and TLC
  4. Led Zeppelin and Mariah Carey**

What’s wrong with that? Just one little problem – I’ve played a LOT of trivia in my life, and in my opinion this was as close to a literally unsolvable final as is possible. I would go as far as to say that, without hyperbole, there is a high likelihood that the only person on earth who could have solved this was the question writer. How could that be true?

Here’s how:
The specific issue with the final is Question 2. The answer needed was “This Town”. O.A.R. released this song as a single in 1998. It “reached” Number 119 on the Billboard charts. While the song is knowable, it is far from well known. But it would not be a crazy choice if the Rehab version was more famous.
However, the Rehab song was not released as a single, and never charted. It was on an album which peaked at #90 (!) on the Billboard charts. It is as close to a non-entity song as you can have from a band who had a grand total of ONE song (The Bartender Song) ever chart, and that was at number 64! This is not trivia – this is utter minutiae. I’d be willing to bet my entire salary that if you asked the members of either O.A.R. or Rehab this question, they couldn’t answer it either.

I know the powers that be are OK with it when occasionally there are final questions that are so difficult that no one at the venue gets it right. I understand their thinking - it’s a game, after all. But they also go to great lengths to promote the trivia league, and the league rewards high scores. We traveled about 25 miles each way to play last night – at current gas prices, this means we spent $7 on gas, plus the cost of dinner. Our goal was to get a high score for the league. Had we known that the final could not be answered correctly by us, or anyone else playing anywhere, ever, we wouldn’t have bothered. The deck was stacked against everyone playing for a high score, because it could never be achieved.

To put it in perspective, compare this game to another pastime – the New York Times crossword puzzle. It’s also considered a fun pastime. But what if the Sunday puzzle one day had all the clues, except those on the bottom right corner? Is it just a game? Sure. Would everyone who completed the puzzle up to the end, only to find they had done it all for nothing because it could never be finished, be angry? You bet! That’s exactly how we feel.
Please forward this to whoever’s in charge of the question writing. Thanks.

You routinely e-mail complaints to a trivia contest organizer? You *are *aware of the root of the word “trivia”, right?

This is, I think the second email I’ve sent. “Routine” was a bit much.

So, uh, what are the other 3 answers?

Without Googling, #3 is “Creep”, I think. That’s all I’ve got.

After Googling, looks like #1 is “Misery” and #4 is “Heartbreaker”

Mr. Squishy has the other 3 correct. We got #1 and #3. We guessed “Shattered” for #2, since that is O.A.R.'s best-known song, and because we thought at that point they were going for all one-word titles.

After my semi-snarky response earlier, I do have some actual feedback…

I guess I don’t understand the need to worry about it. If it’s truly impossible, then everyone got it wrong, right? I don’t know how your playoffs work or anything, but how can it be unfair if it’s unilaterally unfair to everyone? Given the final paragraph’s comparison to the NYT crossword, it doesn’t seem to make a difference. Is the final bet like Jeopardy, where you set your wager before seeing the question? Or is it based on the confidence you have in getting it right?

These are not playoffs, just a regular game. You can see the question before you bet, but since our main focus is high scores (your top six during the league count), we bet it all unless we hand in a blank. Typically we get about 50-60% of all finals correct. In this case, we had a 0% chance, but didn’t realize that was the case until we heard the answer.

It’s like three-card monte. It appeared we had a shot at the answer, but in reality it was not possible. Whether it is fair or not is not really the issue, but it was annoying.

By the way, my subject line for the email was “Apologies for the rant you are about to read”. I don’t expect them to suddenly award us the 15 points we bet (which would REALLY be unfair); rather, this just crossed a line; to me it just seemed like a “We’re just screwing with you tonight” kind of question. And I highly doubt the writer intended it to be that way – but for this question they somehow lost sight of the difference between “Here’s something I know” and “Here’s something there’s a reasonable chance that someone playing might know”. And for a trivia writer, knowing the difference is absolutely crucial.

My only problem is that it appears you wrote the whole thing in blue. Don’t do that. If I got an email like that, I’d be likely to throw it out on principle.

I’m confused here.

Do you mean you saw the actual question before you bet? And you knew going in that the only song you could identify from Rehab was “The Bartender Song” and that wouldn’t be the right answer because that wasn’t an O.A.R. song?

If that’s the case, then I’m with Munch. If it was impossible, then everyone got it wrong. If someone got it right, then it wasn’t impossible and that team won fair and square.

My complaint would be that I’ve never seen a trivia contest where you’d bet points on any question other than a tie-breaker.

Our trivia group has a final question that you wager points, after you’ve heard the question. I’m not sure why a tie breaker would need a wager - they’re usually of the “closest to the answer wins” variety.

Why? Please explain that one.

At work, my MS Outlook comes configured to reply in blue font color, and I’ve always used that default and din’t think it causes any problems.

I’m a little confused - am I missing some particular detail somewhere? Unless I am, I think your complaint boils down to “I made an ill-advised bet and want to blame somebody else.”

I actually don’t care about the bet that much. We swing and miss plenty of times. The complaint is that when we play, we have a reasonable expectation that the final question will be, to some extent, solvable - even if it’s just a 1 or 2% chance. If you disagree, that’s fine.

Do you have to get all 4 correct to get credit or would partial credit be given for knowing 3/4 of the answers? I mean, if you got 3 right and nobody else got more than 2 right, would that give you points?

It’s all or nothing. No partial credit.

It’s just a board culture thing, don’t worry about it.

I am confused, still, you got to see the question, realized you had no shot, and still bet the max?

BTW, I hosted a trivia contest for about two years and if I got your email I wouldn’t give a shit, to be honest. I would try to make questions of varying difficulty, but sometimes they are harder than I thought. I was often surprised at which questions were gotten wrong. However it is the same question for everybody so I didn’t care too much.

The complaint about driving 25 miles and spending money is comical. I think you are being petty.

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10 points for correct response.