Out of School and Looking for Work?

A gentle reminder to those of you who are looking for work:

Don’t be rude to The Managers secretary. Just don’t. No matter how many other places you applied and how weary of the process you are, No matter how many times you were transfered before you were sent to her. This is the first time she’s talked to you. She’ve given you good information. You’ve got an e-mail address and a mailing address for the correct person.

If she said to send a cover letter, resume, and clips or writing samples. It would not be a good idea to counter with, “Well I know what a cover letter is, but what should I say?”. When you ask for salary range and she says the salaries are negotiable and she is not at liberty to discuss them." Take her word for it the first time. She is not going to discuss it with you. Saying, “Oh come on you can give me an idea, surely you know.” Isn’t going to convince her. She works for Him not You. Yes of course she knows, she’s got everyone’s contract in the locked file in her desk. The reason she has them and no one else, is because she doesn’t discuss the details of other people’s contracts.

She is his secretary (or assistant if you prefer) for a reason. They work well together. If they didn’t he would probably find another secretary. He has ample opportunity, she passes on cover letters and resumes from other secretaries or assistants looking to work for him on a fairly regular basis and he hasn’t opted for any of them over her yet. And not she’s not a sexy young thing keeping the job on her looks or skillz either, she’s the kind of secretary the wife is relieved to meet. Rather plain, plump and motherly, competent, makes sure he has a moment call the wife back before heading into the next meeting and wise and kind enough that when the wife sounds stressed to ask her if there is a problem or emergency and she’d like his meeting interrupted.

Her office is just in front of his office, he hears her voice and she hers his voice all day long. They can tell when the other is dealing with a difficult call or solving a problem, or just answering routine questions. He knows her voice well enough that he can recognize by her responses, however polite, and tell if someone on the phone is giving her a hard time.

When he says, “You ok?”

She’ll respond, “Yes, thanks for asking, I’m ok. Just a potential applicant that didn’t like being told to send a cover letter, resume and clips or writing samples, instead of getting to speak with you on demand.”

He’ll say, “What’s the name?”

She’ll say, “John Doe, the fifty-seventh, a recent honors graduate from A University.”

He’ll say, “I’ll remember that. He’s not working for me if he can’t be polite to you.”

Folks if you are looking for work, no matter how educated and above “the process” you are, the secretary is the gateway. Be polite. I’m not saying you have to bring flowers and chocolate. Just don’t behave as if you think everyone that answers someone elses phone is a maroon.

I tried to write she/he and his/hers, but that’s just too burdensome. I am fully aware that some secretaries are men and some managers are women. I’ve used my situation, because it is my post. :slight_smile:

Aside to the boss: I liked hearing that you cared about how others treat me, thanks. :smiley:

Brava! You’re totally right; everyone knows that the secretary is the one with the real brains in the office. Ours left early today and it took 3 of us 15 minutes to find one stinking form that we needed. And we’re on her good side!

As an aside, the rule I always keep in mind is the someone who is nice to the boss but rude to the secretary is a rude person, period. It’s easy to be nice to those who we think will hire us; it’s called kissing up. :slight_smile:

Great Googly Moogly, how’d this land in IMHO? I thought I put it in MPSIMS. If a mod wanders in and has a moment, would you be so kind as to move me? Thanks!
and

Thanks Jeevwoman. In spite of the call, it was a nice thing to hear from my boss. :cool:

Anyone who hasn’t learned yet that the secretary is the path to power doesn’t deserve a job.

Don’t worry, Abby. You were probably distracted by the sight of Czar in his Batman underroos. It happens alla time.
Whiskin’ this on over…

TVeblen
Czar? Wouldja clutch that tatty throw pillow to your midsection already? Sheesh.

I tried to avert my eyes. I swear! But in addition to the Batman Underoos, he was doin’ the chicken dance!

Who wouldn’t misfile their op with that sort of thing going on? :smack: :smiley:

Thanks for the assist, TVeblen !

I wouldn’t have given him a second glance, but for the Electric Blue body paint head to toe.

Okay, I admit. That really did catch my eye.

Nice package, too.

:stuck_out_tongue:

As for Abby’s most excellent O.P., I’ve been a freelancer my entire life, aside from a few weeks here and there doing odd things. If you cannot start every single connection as a fresh, positive, polite, respectful, upbeat meeting…well then, you’re doooooooooooooooooomed.

Sounds like you did the right thing here. And, I bet you look smashing in maroon.

Cartooniverse

::sighs gloomily::
That wasn’t his chicken dance, honey. It was neural overload. Nobody has to dress him in his UndiesOfPower or slather him with day-glo body paint. He does all that on his own. We work around it. Czar was seduced by the dark side. We blame the hamsters, the little trollops.

Veb

I dunno about that but I think, I might have whooshed a Doper who has been here longer than I have. Cool. :cool:

What is a maroon? 1

What is a maroon? 2

It’s a Bugs Bunnyism used 'round here for moron.

Yanno, you’d think a guy who calls himself Cartooniverse would get that. I guess you really were distracted by the neurally overloaded mod in body paint and Batman Underoos. :smiley:

TVeblen I’m shocked, but I’ll be okay as long as he doesn’t come in here and say in a James Earl Jones gasp that he’s my father.

Or your father.

Or Cecil’s father.

Off to IMHO.

Cajun Man
for the SDMB

Who is Bugs Bunnyism? Is that anything like Paul Bunyan, or Damon Runyon, or Crab Rangoon, or Hot Air Balloons ?? :stuck_out_tongue:

What can I say? I’m easily distracted by unusual visuals.

And not for nothing, but am I the only Doper who finds it hilarious that Cajun Man has moved this back to IMHO??? :dubious: You may have won an award there, Abby. I cannot think of another thread that’s bee bounced twice in 24 hours- and, back to its original Forum !!

I’m feeling a tad like a ping pong ball this morning.
I guess it’s fated for this to be in IMHO instead of MPSIMS. Anyone got a poll they want to conduct?

Yep. Sure. Show of hands- how many Dopers have misbehaved when dealing with a professional Admin. Assistant and gotten the job anyway?

( I see this being a low-response poll, but heck, it’s a poll ! )

:slight_smile:

Repeatedly paddled and send aloft??

:eek:

:eek:

:eek:

:smiley:

Why, Abby, didn’t I just see you over in…?
Nevermind.
Sigh.
::shuffles away, eyes crossing::

Veb

Oy . . . my apologies, Abby. It seems I misread your e-mail. (Damn lesdexia!)

Cajun Man
for the SDMB

AAAAAIIIIEEEE!
Make it stop!

Can we be pointless now, again, for the first time? :confused:
Whatever! :stuck_out_tongue:

AbbySthrnAccent, my favorite thing to do was pretend to be a secretary setting up an interview with the boss: me.

If they gave me attitude as a secretary, I’d “have to get back to them” to set one up due to a “scheduling conflict”. :D.

Just made it a little easier to tell who was an ass. :wink:

No worries Cajun Man. Thank you for responding to the e-mail. It’s been fun. Kinda like a roller coaster, just without the loud clank, clank, clank, up the hill with the sun in your eyes and the bone jerking lurches. Weeeeee!

I wonder what TVeblen’s eyes will do now that we are back?
harmless Was your childhood best friend invisible? :slight_smile:

Do you think if we start talking about secretaries in novels, on television, or in the movies we can get bumped over to Cafe Society?

People who are rude to secretaries, waitstaff, etc. are just trashy, because anybody can be a bully but only…

::head whips::

Mother 'o pearl, where is this? Abby, is that you…? Weren’t you, we just…?

DAMN, I hate when this happens.
What were we talking about again?

Veb
Is this the Pit?

Well, duh, they were fairies. They hadto be invisible. :rolleyes: :smiley: