Pardons for Bribery? What Next?

Is this true? The court system in D.C. is confusing on the best of days, but the Superior Court of D.C. appears to be a separate entity from the District Court of D.C.

This attorney had some helpful information:

Court System in Washington, DC | DC Superior Court.

He’s just a Bill, yes he’s only a Bill, and he’s sittin’ here on Capitol Hill…

Thanks for the laugh. Too bad they burned the banana stand.

Quite right. Posting too late at night. They are separate courts.

However, the key point is that DC is entirely under federal jurisdiction: Art. I, s. 8 provides that Congress has the power:

The District has its own criminal laws and the DC Superior Court, but those are all created by a combination of laws passed by Congress, not by any state law.

So, if a crime is committed in the District, that is a federal crime and would be subject to the presidential pardon power. That was the point I was trying to make, a bit clumsily.

I’m so sorry. I started the damn thread and I still misunderstood your query. I thought you were asking about who might qualify for pardons in general, and of course you weren’t! @Northern_Piper isn’t the only one here who shouldn’t post late at night after a hard work day.

I agree with you, there will be far fewer indictments based solely on bribery-for-pardon charges – although I’m open to being surprised on that. Trump simply can’t seem to resist someone giving him money, and he loves his pardon power. Easiest money he ever made. Just sign a piece of paper and someone gives you a big pile of dough.

I can still think of a couple, though. I won’t list their crimes/potential crimes, but I’ll name them: Elliot Broidy and Steve Wynn spring to mind. There are a number of people like that who are in big hot water and know Trump well enough to take a chance.

@Northern_Piper, I’m so glad you clarified on the DC Superior Court. I thought I was losing my mind. I couldn’t help but wonder where residents of Washington DC went for domestic, juvenile, adoptions, probate and other court orders. I was already clear on district courts and circuit courts, but the courts in Washington DC can and do confuse me.

Indeed. I appreciate the clarification as well. In my mind, this is yet another argument for D.C. statehood, but this is not the thread for that discussion. Thanks.

Eh, been there, done that. :slight_smile:

As far as who may be involved, as I said, I wouldn’t be able to give you a name, but I do think that it will be someone like you mention, that is, not an admin level person, but some flunky or another who wanted to keep him/herself on Trump’s radar. You know, a “friend” of Trump whom Trump would throw under the bus yesterday.

There is much projection among Trump supporters.

I can’t believe it falls to me hours later to make the obvious connection.

Once disbarred, Bill Barr just becomes Bill. Or, more precisely, Mister Bill. As in Oooh Nooo!

If there is any justice left in the Justice department he will receive so many smitings that it’ll make the actual Mr. Bill’s career seem completely smash-free.

“Here comes Mr. Bill’s pardon!”

Yeah, I am really jarred that my pun-post was not celebrated as the masterstoke it was intended to be. I am inconsolable. Well… I’ll cry myself to sleep aftera couple of whiskys, someday I’ll get over it. Thanks for trying, though :wink:

I have noticed Trumpanzees, and Republicans in general, seem to take where they are the weakest and accuse their opponents of it. “She has anger in her heart” was the first time I really noticed it and I have seen it constantly since then.

I hope people are taking note of all the ways Republicans are saying there is voter fraud. When they try it and you need to find it, go down that list.

I’ve said from the beginning that the reason the Republicans know there will be voter fraud is because that is what they do. Witness North Carolina’s election scandal in 2018. When Donald Trump says there will be massive voter fraud, he’s not talking about the Democrats, he’s listing the tactics that the Republicans will be using.

You are spot on.

No doubt you are right. Trump is corrupt to the core. Money is how you track the winner, that’s why he has to claim to be the richest man in the room. He has likely used exactly those kinds of “negotiation tactics” throughout is business career. “You are saying I have the exclusive power to grant Pardons, that there is no oversight and no appeal? Cha-ching!”

Had to look that up.

I misread that as “Maybe he peed on underage girls…”.

I’m not a towel - you’re a towel!

And the people involved have been named.

No indication that any bribe was ever actually paid. No indication that Trump was involved, or had any knowledge.

The initial 20-page of heavily-redacted documents provide little information on the parties involved.

Since only the President can pardon, trump would have to be involved at some time, no? Mind you, it might not have gotten to that stage yet.

Note that “Justice Department prosecutors”- who work for the President, and

"It is not clear if anyone approached the White House or paid a supposed bribe. The documents do not indicate if White House officials were aware of the effort, let alone that Trump was involved."

So, I think we read a different cite that the one you posted. You drew different conclusions.

people involved have been named: No, the document was redacted. But yes " the New York Times reported that the plot may have involved…" note that word “may”.

No indication that any bribe was ever actually paid. No, “It is not clear if anyone… paid a supposed bribe” So, a bribe may or may not have been paid, but we dont have any clear evidence yet.

No indication that Trump was involved, or had any knowledge. No, “It is not clear if anyone approached the White House or paid a supposed bribe. The documents do not indicate if White House officials were aware of the effort, let alone that Trump was involved.” So we dont know yet about the President.

I’m not particularly surprised that no involvement has been found. I’ve heard Trump is in massive debt, but do not know if this is the case. But if so, I don’t imagine whatever amount he may have been offered would help much, nor that he would think selling pardons would help him much.

Presumably you would have also evaded NJ state taxes (I assume they have an income tax) and the NJ AG could certainly go after that.

Don’t forget to declare the bribe received as income on your NJ taxes. Lots of crooks forget that step and it often comes back to bite them.

So Tony Soprano could deduct bribes to the mayor/chief of police/ward alderman/chairperson of the PTA as business expenses? Was that a plot point in one of the episodes?