Did God inflict Pat Robertson on us because of gay marriage?
Not under those circumstances, no.
Not if my child was a grown-ass man, and not when it meant that other people’s sons would be taking his place on the firing line.
From a 2009 MSNBCarticle:
I don’t believe it’s been overturned, nor has Iowa passed a constitutional amendment.
Yes.
Your understanding is completely incorrect. Read the piece I linked upthread. There are several other witnesses and documentary evidence.
You misunderstood the post you were responding too. spooje was commenting on the fact that Robertson thinks his God will send natural disasters to the US for legalizing same-sex marriage, yet that same God does not seem to be smiting countries that practice things like FGM. Spooje was saying that those countries appear to be getting a pass from GOD.
First of all, if this is really true, it’s fucked up and totally destroys McCloskey’s credibility for me.
Secondly, if Robertson lied about being a “combat officer” and was actually a liquor officer, that’s a really shitty thing to do and it makes him a scumbag. However, I still wouldn’t call him a “draft dodger.” Draft dodgers, you know, dodge the draft…not join the Marine Corps and go to Korea. And whatever he may have done in Korea, the fact that he was there at all during a war means that he was in harm’s way and can legitimately claim to be a veteran of that war.
And that doesn’t make him a good man or a bad man, just a veteran of a war.
There was also a tornado that killed a couple people in Springfield, Mass at the beginning of June.
He wasn’t in harm’s way. He was in a cushy rear echelon HQ position. He was never near any fighting.
If he wanted to claim to be a Korean War veteran, he technically could have (just as Al Gore is technically a Vietnam veteran), but calling himself a “combat veteran” was a fucking lie.
McCloseky denied the accuracy of that quote, by the way and said he didn’t deny the Holocaust. He also actually WAS a combat veteran, who won a Silver Star, and he had a right to be offended by Robertson lying about it (and there is no question that Robertson lied about it).
Why is Schlatter.org a reliable source?
They’re obviously extremely hostile to Robertson but I see no reason to trust them.
Dio, are you trying to claim that McCloskey didn’t decide to give a speech before a forum of Holocaust deniers.
People can link to his speech here.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p13_McCloskey.html
The key parts.
Sorry, but those seem pretty damning to me.
The closest I can come up to any refutation is that wiki notes(without live links) that McCloskey claims that he only questioned “the numbers” of people killed in the Holocaust.
Again, that’s pretty damning.
Do you have some links(wiki doesn’t count) proving that McCloskey didn’t decide to deliver a speech before a bunch of Holocaust deniers and didn’t say those things?
For example, if the Institute for Historical Review has genuinely forged his speech, has he sued them for libel and denounced them as an organization?
Regardless of whether or not he’s a veteran, he’s a complete scumbag.
Beyond that, it’s worth noting that even the vast majority of veterans aren’t “combat veterans”.
They aren’t the source. The documents and the witnesses are the sources.
McCloseky is irrelevant, so I have no interest in your ad hominems against him.
Most of the evidence cited in the above link (which is actually just quoting a lot from McCloskey’s book) came from Robertson’s attempted libel suit.
Here is a People Magazine article essentially backing everything up, including all the other witnesses (other marines who gave sworn avadavats) and the letters from Roberton’s father that were found by the defense. This is all public record.
Incidentally, Robertson dropped the libel suit and paid McCloskey’s legal fees after the evidence mounted against him.
You previously defended “McCloseky(sic)”, now you’ve abandoned him.
Why is that?
Second your link was to an obviously partisan website which you’ve suddenly decided isn’t a reliable source. How can we verify any of their supposed sources since they don’t provide links?
I didn’t defend him, I said he was irrelevant. This is a pointless hijack on your part, since McCloskey’s credibility is not germane to the discussion. The avadavits from other witnesses are public record, as are the documents of Robertson’s service and the letters from his dad.
It wasn’t the source, it just quoted from a book that had the relevant information.
I do think it’s hysterical how you’re now trying to deny doing what you did, but all things considered based on your past history it’s par for the course.
That said, please give me verifiable links to these supposed documents which prove Robertson is a draft-dodger.
Hey, we’ve barely gotten over 9/11 and now we’ve got the plague of bedbugs in our cushiest stores and hotels – establishments potentially frequented by gay people! Anyway, as a small child told me, “Tornadoes can’t happen in New York City because there are too many buildings. Maybe one could happen in Central Park.”
No, it would be morally wrong.
I think the disagreement was due to tornadoes in IA, plus the flooding right now.
I didn’t defend him. I said he was irrelevant. I also pointed out that he denied the accuracy of your smear story, but I don’t know or care enough about ot to have a personal opinion. The more salient point is that McCloskey was not the only witness, and that he (mcCloskey) was able to produce both eyewitness avadavits and documentations of Robertson’s cushy service record during Robertson’s lawsuit. That’s why Robertson dropped the lawsut and paid McCloskey’s legal fees.
I never said he was a draft dodger, ass monkey, I said his father got him out of combat. That is a fact. I don’t know how to find links for the documents. It was the 80’s. It was in all the papers. You probably weren’t even born yet. The People article above is a sufficient, though, and continuing to demand more and more cites is just petty stonewalling at this point.