Why are black people so great at sports and have such large penises!
Why are asians so smart!
What makes jews such great business people?
Do Hispanics have a “hard work” gene?
If you really believe you have never held a racist or stereotypical view, then very well. I don’t know you will enough to point them out. I happen to believe everyone holds them and most of us are smart enough to inhibit them.
*now
Typo…my bad. Fumster is suppose to be catching these:/
The Civil Rights Movement was fifty years ago. FIFTY. Isn’t a “generation” (according to social scientists) 25 years? So, the Civil Rights Movement was 2 whole generations ago, the Civil War almost 6 generations ago.
Unless you’re Paula Deen, in which case, it’s just the way you is, y’all!
To the extent that we think that smart Asians are smart, that great Jewish business people are great business people, and that hard-working Hispanics work hard, sure. My doctor and 5 of the professors in the English department at the college I attended are black. I don’t know if they can dance or play basketball, but I’ll bet you suspect they all can, right? I do know that they don’t call each other nigger and that you wouldn’t refer to them as that, either. To their faces.
It’s clear that you don’t get it. It’s clear that you are clinging to the shameful attitudes of your parents and grandparents and that you apparently live in one of the last pockets of the southern United States where persons of color aren’t regularly seen. It’s gross how you attempt to romanticize a tragic and embarrassing period in our country’s history. I’m ashamed of you for that. It’s also pretty clear that you don’t get out much, haven’t received any higher education, and likely don’t visit any doctors who aren’t working at the free clinic to pay off med school. Otherwise you would know better than this nonsense.
Paula Deen felt she had some sort of earned social credit with her black employees, felt she could get away with teasing them about being black, get away with using the word nigger because she’s heard black people use the word. She was wrong, and she’s paying the price for her gall and her appalling lack of manners. I suspect you’ll try the same thing out when and if you ever find yourself employed in a position above black folks. But I’m damn certain you won’t try that shit if your boss is black. Right? Right? You get what I’m saying. There is no chance in hell that Deen would have ordered a black producer at the Food Network to step away from a dark background so she could see him. She pulled that shit on an underling because she was on a power trip.
And for God’s sake shut up about civil rights and bygone eras and all that other antebellum nostalgia. White people don’t use the n word because we’re ashamed of that chapter of our country’s political and religious history. We don’t want to do anything to cause that sort of divide amongst our citizens ever again. Get outta here with that and go peel that faded confederate flag sticker off your Thunderbird. You’re embarrassing us.
This is all so over the top compared to what aag is really posting.
But that is what The Pit is all about. No intelligent discussion here at all. Just trashing.
Irony isn’t dead, no matter how much Alanis tried to kill it.
Astonishing how to easily offended you are while decrying others who were offended by Deen’s actions and attitude.
Shut up shit for brains.
I am offended that retards* got offended by Deen’s actions and attitudes.
*Just the retards on this board.
Do you have a Confederate flag on your truck? Do you honor your rich “heritage” and “traditions”? Do you romanticize the plantation life? Has it ever occurred to you to put on a blackface minstrel show and your kid’s birthday party? Have you ever longed for a wedding that recreated an antebellum ball at which an all-white party of guests was served by an all-black staff in period costume? Do you ever find yourself uttering sentences that begin “Yes, slavery was awful, but …?”
Did you answer “no” to all those questions? Well then congratulations, unlike Paula Deen, you are apparently not a racist fucking moron.
What Paula Deen and her sons tell us about the four ways that racists defend themselves: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/06/25/2208311/what-paula-deen-and-her-sons-tells-us-about-the-four-ways-racists-defend-themselves/?mobile=wp
In summary:
Just because you were a good person while in the privacy of your family life and you were nice to your kids doesn’t have any evidential bearing on how you might have treated strangers or employers
Being accused of behaving in a racist manner is not worse than being the victim of racist behavior.
Just because people around you, like employees, might not have been in a position to voice their objections in a position to call you out doesn’t mean that what you did wasn’t considered offensive.
Having grown up in a different time is no excuse, because you, like the rest if us, live in this time, and there is no reason why you can’t understand or learn what the standards for behavior are from paying attention to the world around you.
Is Paula Deen a racist in her heart? Might we all, deep down, be a little bit racist? Who knows?
But also, who the fuck cares? You aren’t judged for what kind of person you ae in your heart. You are judged on your actual behavior and treatment of the people you interact with. And that’s 100 percent fair and just.
Who the fuck are you, James Madison? The reason that southern slave owners danced around using the word “slave” was so they could distance themselves from the very idea of slavery - because even then many slaveholders knew it was completely repugnant and morally wrong. So they pretended they were “workers” or “persons held in service” or any other flowery term that would deny who they actually were and what was being done to them. The fact that they did this was dishonest and embarrassing hundreds of years ago. The fact that you and Paula Deen are doing it now is…I seriously don’t have words for how ridiculous you look.
This is an excellent and important point, but consider that you’re talking to someone who thinks 1983 was some distant age when nobody knew the n-word was bad.
Hey aag3981:
Racism was indefensible in 1865 or whenever Paula’s grandfather committed suicide because he was so sad about the fact that he could no longer support himself on the backs of exploited and oppressed [del]workers [/del] slaves.
It was indefensible in 1983.
It’s beyond indefensible now so seriously, shut the fuck up.
My point was that if she is racist anywhere else, demonstrated by her behaviors, than why is it so unlikely that she was comfortable enough in her own business to also not display racist tendencies? Especially when they’re have been multiple complaints by different people spanning years.
There’s plenty of intelligent discussion within this thread, it’s just being ignored for rote platitudes. But here’s the thing; if you personally think it’s so abhorrent, then get the hell out of it and leave the rest of us to our debate. Quit trying to nanny everyone. That’s a job solely for BigT.
Really? You believe things aren’t that different from 150 years ago… That’s really naive. How many more states do we have in the Union? Women have rights now. Gays can marry. Our thoughts and beliefs concerning people and freedom are drastically different. Those thugs that were doing the “worst thing” you could to another human were doing what was a pretty normal thing to do 150 years ago. Stop judging past actions by today’s standards. And take a history class.
Well seeing as how we are 5 pages into this, I don’t believe it is a stretch to find that the conversation has moved on to include other things. I’ve responded to the OP and now I’m responding to others.
That’s rich. Aren’t you the one who asked us to consider how Deen’s family carried a legacy of slavery and therefore she should be expected to retain some unpopular but prejudiced views?
Ok, it took 4 generations to force people to stop discrimination against blacks and attempt to stop treating them like 2nd class citizens. You are talking about changing the behavior and beliefs that were held for 100’s of years and not really an easy thing to over turn to begin with. People being born today are being taught prejudices and biases. Look at the prison population, the racial break down of college attendance or executives in the Fortune 500, or gang activity, or single parent house holds, or people depending on government benefits, or unemployment rates by race. Racism is more subtle, but it’s there. It’s everywhere.
No, you - because anyone who thinks that slavery wasn’t considered evil one hundred and fifty years ago and that the poor rich white plantation owners didn’t know any better has a really superficial view of American history.
ETA: Also, nice scare quotes around “worse thing”.
IDK what your black college professors are good at, but those are stereotypes (though very cliche ones) that persist. Paula Deen, as I understand it, has never called anyone the N-word to their faces. Nor have I.
I live in Columbia SC. Roughly 46% of the population is black. I work in law enforcement and have graduate degrees. A lot of my graduate course work has focused on racial and ethical issues within the criminal justice system ranging from the minority over-representation throughout the system to sentencing biases regarding african features (the more african american the features, to more harsh a person is sentence). I have also served in the military, though didn’t travel a whole lot, I got out here and there. I’m not sure about the visiting doctor’s bit. Are you saying I only go to the free clinic? Or I don’t know any doctor? Admittedly I don’t. A few nurses, an aspiring med student. Only know the doctors I go to, but I pay them.
I do work with a lot of black folks and they seem to think this Paula Deen shit is the dumbest thing they have ever heard. (Really!! An old southern woman said the N-word 30 years ago!!) From what I gather, the only ones mad at her, are mad because she is sucking up all this attention from matter that really need attention.
I don’t believe Paula thought she earned any social credit. She reported feeling close enough to one black guy to joke about it. I don’t see how using the N-word 30 years ago means she believed she could say it in front of any black people now. The plaintiff has even sad she never her Paula say it. As far as me calling black boss the N-word, of course I wouldn’t, but have never called anyone that word. No one, even Paula Deen, advocates the use of that word. She may have been on a power trip when she was talking to Hollis, but Hollis isn’t suing her.
If you don’t like what I am saying, get out of the Pit, or go peruse another forum. I am arguing my views. Views that I have acquired after living in the South, understanding the people (from both sides) and reading some research and other really smart people’s views of the topic.
I’m not really sure how any of this addresses what I said. Do I get to expect apologies from men for all the crap their great great grand father’s did to my great great grand mother?
But to address your questions, no to all. I guess I’m in the clear.