Where’s the Like button?
And you can “pit the Pit.” Just start your own thread to do so and quit nannying up this one. Is that too difficult to follow?
Seriously. Every time I consider a historical subject or visit a memorial or view a re-enactment, I can’t ignore the fact that if I had been there, I would be barred from mainstream society. So, no. I don’t feel even the slightest sympathy for someone who grew up on the other side of that line.
Good God. How many of us have told you that we are living it now? My mother is 71 years old, born and raises Southern Baptist in Virginia. There is no way in hell she or her friends would make such crass remarks or defend slavery as “they didn’t think black folks were human and thought Negros were better off living as slaves than on their original continent with their homes and families so slave owners didn’t know better see?” That’s truly the most despicable revisionist view of slavery there is, and I’m appalled someone with Internet access and a second grade education would offer it as an excuse.
This thread is so lopsided that I think a little nannying is good,…a little encouragement for aag that she is not alone …that there are many lurking in The Pit, like I do, who agree with her. But are scared shitless to say so in this forum.
I think this thread has LOTS of lurkers. Just look at the numbers.
Whether Lavender Blue or someone else in that permission feels obligated to apologize for their ancestors is not relevant to whether you should expect an apology from them. It’s two different things.
I don’t really know much about the Paula Deen “affaire”. Just what I have read rather casually in the newspapers and what I have read on this thread.
The whole thing seems to be about the wealthy wanting to keep their wealth and some trying to obtain some of that wealth through the courts. It is all about greed you know. Both sides. What was the old saying?..“money is the root of all evil”
True here.
As far as I can tell aag is a rational person in a basically irrational forum. She is logic and reason. Everyone else is emotional and ranting.
But that is what The Pit is for…ranting in a very emotional way.
Not that I have anything against that. I enjoy the ranting in the Pit. But not a place for serious discussion.
Then you’re as full of shit and/or racist as aa. Neither of you can support the claim that slave owners “didn’t know any better” and thought they were doing the slaves a favor by kidnapping them, tearing them away from their families, their homes, their religious convictions, and the climate and geography they knew in order to force them to work daylight to dark under terrifying and inhumane conditions.
They were making a profit off the free labor of kidnapped, shackled prisoners and beating them worse than animals in order to keep them obedient, terrified, and broken. Any person today who supports a rosy, romantic, Antebellum happy darkies vision is an uneducated, bigoted idiot who shouldn’t be trusted to behave in mixed company.
I don’t think aag said anything close to that. I know you did.
What did she do wrong? She confessed to saying a racial slur 30 years ago. OMG!!! Shocker, and old white southern woman that grew up pre-civil rights movement said something racist 15 years after civil rights movement. If you are surprised by this, or insulted by, you are overly sensitive and silly.
Paula Deen is racist. I am from the South, but born well past the civil rights movement so I have a completely different perspective and base that what Deen would have. I also never said the South is more or less racist than anyplace else. I have no idea. Reputation wise and from what’s reported, I certainly say we are more racist or hang on to more discriminatory ideas.
Oh my god, this is going to turn into one of those things, isn’t it? People with reading comprehension continues to bleat on about one sound bite worth of information like it’s the only thing that matters. No matter how many times people point them to everything relevant, on and on it goes, with them ignoring everything except that one thing! I’m done with racist apologist. Enjoy your time now. Before long, this older generation who can’t seem to know any better, will die out and this shit won’t be as acceptable anymore.
If you had been raised then the best you could hope is to be barred from mainstream society. Back then, if you didn’t agree, you were tied to the back of a horse and drug through town, or whipped in the town square or hung outside the court house. If you were particularly annoying, all 3. It’s cute that you believe if you were raised then you would still believe as you do now, or if you did, you would have the balls to stand up to that kind of pressure. Not what Paula Deen is going through (which sucks), but real violent and complete oppression. But go ahead, keep on thinking like that.
Right, so your mother is 71 and not you so I’m gonna assume YOU haven’t lived through anything. Also, lots of people have stated how their parents or in-laws do side with Paula on this, so maybe, just maybe, it goes both ways.
But going along with your claims, I’m sure you 71 year old mother didn’t defend slavery, or thought Negros were better off living as slaves. She didn’t live in a time slavery was practiced or tolerated. Tell me how she feels about using a water fountain after one though.
The justifications of slavery are ones slave owners and other southerners that benefited from the practices used. It’s not an excuse. It’s an explanation of how people during that time frame felt about it.
Wait, are you actually lecturing a brown person about how hard it would be to be a Paula Deen and stand up to racism?
Thanks Ombre12!
How so? Blacks and Women were both oppressed and considered property. Lavender stated that he/she would spend their life apologizing for abuses done by ancestors, if in a position where they were related to a slave owner. I simply used another relevant example that applied to my own situation and stated I do not expect apologies from descendants whose ancestors wronged my ancestors. Therefore I do not apologize to blacks now for my ancestors potentially owning their ancestors. There is much more current and relevant racism to address. Slavery I fill, has been pretty much handled. It was a different time and they were acting in the norm for the time. The question was relevant to the context of that conversation.
I believe that by the time the Civil War was coming up, lots of slaves were born into it. (I know, does it really matter? No, a slave is a slave). This is an important note because then they were raised to accept it. So they didn’t know any better either. Made continuing the practice easier.
No one has said this was a “rosy, romantic” time. There are aspects of the Antebellum South that southerners enjoy, but it is not the slavery part of it, though, admittedly, antebellum south is not possible without the slavery aspect. It was a prosperous time for the South, the women wore really pretty dresses, men were chivalrous (used loosely, women were property) and people were crazy proud (a characteristic still found no matter the southern situation).
Slave owners used false information, confirmation bias and self justification to “justify” their situation. People that believed in segregation also did. Southerns still use these tactics to justify and distance themselves from past abuses now. No one today supports the antebellum south much past a fun costume party (if that much). If you believe anyone has, you need to go back and read again.
Thank you again! Sometimes I wonder if I am speaking another language because the stuff people seem to be getting, I swear I am not saying.
I feel the same way. Now, what have I ignored, not explained or failed to respond to? And when is someone gonna respond to me?
Oh, you’re saying it. I don’t think you’re intending for people to catch it, but you’re saying it.