PAY-PER-POST?!?!?!?!?!

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*Originally posted by clayton_e *
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Since you’ve taken a coarse stance on a delicate subject, and this IS the BBQ Pit, I’d like to add some thoughts on both what you quoted, and what you just said, clayton_e.

There are events daily, weekly, monthly that make Dopers turn to the Boards. They span the range from amusingly mundane to tragically important. Like any thriving community, we are diverse as all hell. It is, in the true sense of the word, a communist situation. We take according to our needs, and give according to what we can. Some of us do a lot of drive-by postings sometimes. I’m in that group. I frequently come here to be a wise-ass and blow off steam, and relax. I’ll also post more serious materials. There are some who only post when they have a serious offering, replete with cites. There are those who ONLY are wise-asses. It’s a COMMUNity. If we all truly believe that all comers are welcome, then your cursing above is a sad retort indeed.

Intellect and finance has never been codependant. You can be filthy rich and truly ignorant. You can be destitute and brilliant. ( Thank god… :D). Instead of cursing the quote you used in your post, why not stop and appreciate the intentions of those Dopers who may very well be able to send twice the subscription fee, to offset the costs of SDMB keeping Dopers in the fold who truly cannot afford to do so.

Would we really lower ourselves to excluding based on money? I understand totally that it’s become a necessity, I don’t even wanna get into that part of the debate. It’s a business.

Why should you curse and attack the very idea of generosity? It tells us more about you than it tells us about the idea of subsidised Dope Subscriptions.

I’d like to offer this idea. Starting with the form that is already provided, and with every form thereafter, the SDMB Administration needs to add a line. They should offer all of us the chance to basically pay for a strangers Doper Membership.

It’s a community. We help each other out, and have here for years. I’m not only not rich, I’m not really middle class. And, I’d damned well make sure I did without various goodies for as long as it took to be able to send a duplicate subscription fee, to support another Doper who couldn’t do for themselves.

This Board is about intangibles. Personally I’d hope fervently that the tangibles we now have to deal with are dispensed with neatly and quickly. Those of us who cannot will be protected from exclusion by those of us who can.

I hope the Administration gets far enough in this thread to read this request.

Sincerely,

Cartooniverse

Having just looked around this MPSIMS Thread on the topic, I have to admit- the fine details sound like a bitch.

I’d like to change slightly what I said just above. Instead of pegging a donation at the amount of someone else’s membership, give us a space to donate SOMETHING to subsidise another Member. The truly Communist theory- each according to what they can give to the community. Oh, and I’m not a Communist, but I love the theory here.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled BBQ Thread, already in progress on many of your ABC Stations. :smiley:

As a poor student without a credit rating I have no method of payment. I think that the scheme mentioned earlier about having cards with $20.00 on them which you can use over the phone must be a solely american one. I’m certain there’s no such scheme in England. This is the biggest problem with this scheme as far as I am concerned and it has been raised by other people in this thread.

One quick question, however. Let’s say that I joined up the board and then got banned for some reason which I, and some other posters thought was unjust (ie. when Kyberkineticist was banned - an extremely bad judgement callas far as I was concerned) would I be entitled to get my money back if I felt I had not been given value for money?

This is what’s bugging me bigtime on this whole issue, $20/yr is too much. As noted above, an ad free board can be hosted at a cost of $120/yr. With the rates that have been suggested by the staff ($20/yr), that board would require 6 whole paying members to fund itself. I am sure that this EZBoard solution would be able to handle in excess of 6 active members, even if it’s 6 handy’s ;).

Granted, EZBoard cannot handle, AFAIK, something the size of the SDMB, so I offer another datapoint… Dellhost offers a dedicated hosting solution with 10Gb of storage and 21Gb of monthly transfer allowance for the paltry sum of $3,000/yr, or the equivalent of 150 active SDMB posters. That solution (or one similar) should be adequate to host this site in it’s current 19,000 member form. And for the equivalent of 360 SDMB posters, you can get a real screamer. From this thread we get the scoop on the current system the SDMB uses.

How much money are these guys looking to get from us, anyway? $20/yr per poster is WAAAAAY too much to just fund this board, and stop the Reader from bleeding cash. No way in hell I’m paying $20/yr.

If you look around at other similar publication companies, this isn’t unusually nor is it outrageous.

If I’m overloaded by all this, I can only imagine what the mods/admins/Powers That Be are feeling.

I’d first like to point out what someone else said in the ATMB thread (I think). The mere fact that we’re being offered the chance to discuss this instead of just waking up one day to the pop-up saying, “If you ever want to see this place again you better fork over some cash right now” is great, and says a lot about these boards and how the higher-ups feel about us. I more than want to extend them the same courtesy back, personally. The allegations that they’re trying to screw us makes me sad. Well, to be more honest, it makes me roll my eyes and want to post Very Mean Things about some of your mothers. I’ve heard ever since I started posting that the Reader is taking a loss on this place, and I believe it. I have no reason to believe Ed woke up yesterday and said, “Fuck it. I’m making 'em pay now.” I can’t believe anyone would really think that this subject hasn’t been on the table for months, if not years. If you do think this is just a way for The Reader to turn a buck, or that somehow this idea is a personal insult, I’m really not sure why you’re here anyway.

Other than that, lots of great ideas here. lno and I discussed this situation at length yesterday, and I’ve seen most of the ideas we came up with already mentioned somewhere. The only one I haven’t seen yet is to possibly set a 20% discount every year of membership, culminating in a lifetime membership after 5 years. I’d also like to see the mods grant themselves a free membership. Yeah, a lot of people would scream over it, but y’all put up with so much bullshit as it is. At least give yourselves a break there.

I’m not the type to believe my TV when it tells me, “EVERYTHING IS FINE! GO BACK ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS!” but in this, as in so many things, there’s plenty going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about. I’m keeping the faith.

So saith yosemitebabe:

*Yes, and I walked 10 miles to school, in the snow, UPhill both ways. :smiley:

I agree with you, Nym.

I can see why some people are concerned about the text at the bottom of the page, regarding the Reader re-using our works. I saw this as a big deal once, but don’t anymore. I simply decided to stop contributing any creative works ever again, and instead will only constructively post to try to answer science and engineering questions. And since I’m a PE, the Reader can’t legally re-use my recommendations on engineering matters anyhow, regardless of what the text at the bottom says. I just want to post to help people, comment on things, and give opinions. They can do what they wish with those words AFAIC.

I have no credit card.
I have no intention of getting a credit card.
I would pay for the site, but why $20 ?

Why not $10, a paltry amount (thats 20 cents approx a week), an adequate system for weveryone to pay?
I’ll pay, but not over $20.

Big deal, you had two uphill routes to school.

Me, I only had one route which was 10 miles in waist deep snow to school and back and it was uphill both ways!

:wink:

:smiley:

Fenris

And in MY school, we never heard about the idea of closing tags for coding!

What are the legal implications?
If someone is banned and decides to seek legal advice for recovery of their fee, how would the mods’ work stand up to legal scrutiny with regard to banning?
I’m sure this is a little dramatic, but I suppose it would have to be considered.

no, but there probably ARE teen posters who aren’t allowed to work. I’m almost 30 so it doesn’t apply anymore, but when I was a teen I wasn’t allowed to work at all not babysitting not nuthin. And I wasn’t allowed out of the house on weekends most of the time. (I could go on and on about my horrible childhood and why I ran away from home etc but that would be a hijack)

Opal, I’m sorry that your childhood sucked.

But I’m going to go out on a limb and say that cases like your prior situation (not being allowed to work or leave the house)are the exception, not the rule.

I got it down to 4,209b

And I got it down to 3,300b if I shrank the size to 80%.

Gomez said:

Are you usually entitled for a refund if you feel you have not been given value for your money? No. The SDMB is a service, not a product. Generally, you need to scope out the value of the board before you commit to paying money for it. So I support the trial period idea.

Basically, as far as banishment- no refunds. That’s how I would handle it. You troll, you lose $20. You play nice, you get what you paid for. As long as that’s pre-stipulated in the rules during registration, go for it.

Gomez said:

You have plenty of options for payment. Re-read the thread.

and then TwistofFate said:

Good, because you won’t need one.*

[sub]*Assuming the payment structure is set up the way others have assumed in this thread.[/sub]

I agree that it is not the norm, but my point was mainly that saying that any kid who says they can’t ear money must be lying is perhaps overboard.

huh. I had to walk thru snow and dig 10 miles under it to get to school!
lazy kids nowadays…

I would pay to post to the board as it currently exists. As Doc Cathode (IIRC) mentioned, such a pay scheme will most emphatically not keep the board the same.

There have been threads in the past in which many, many dopers would volunteer funds to keep the board free. As annoying as a PBS style-drive may be, it is the only way I can think of to keep the board as it is and generate some funds.

Everything else will change the board, which will decrease the users, which will then decrease the users who pay next time it comes up for paying, etc. The board will disappear within one year, IMO.

I will pay the first year for sure (if the scheme stays like it is), but after that I fear the board won’t be the same, and won’t be worth paying for.

The day this site goes to madatory pay-posting is the day I deconstruct my only Cecil Adams book, and flush it down the toilet. I mean, I would never expect the world’s smartest human being to be sucha daft sucka and have the business sense of my cock slappin brotha, Ronnie. Oh well, maybe the poo’ sob’s devoloped a drug habit and it’s time to sell out the teeming millions.

Oooh ooooh

Uh uh

That’s one bad mofo.