Petty insults is all you deserve when you post drivel that is so devoid of content as to be unworthy of intelligent debate.
Why do you argue only in hypotheticals? Is there some secret manual that gets handed out to right-wing morons that warns you only to argue with inane hypotheticals? Is it because you know that arguing with facts is liable to result in losing?
If Rune had any self-respect - or any desire to come out of this argument looking good - he’d tell LonesomePolecat to crawl back down his hole, since LP offers nothing but petty insults.
Oh, damn, I didn’t even notice Rune saying this . . . I know there’s a lot of ignorant people out there, but he’s gotta be the last person in the world who is not aware that both Muslims and Christians worship the same god - the God of Abraham. And no mainstream denomination that I’m aware of argues the point, either (they wouldn’t get very far doing so, since the historical relationship between the two religions is pretty much incontrovertible.)
But I guess facts aren’t too important to Rune and LonesomePolecat.
Yeah well, what did you expect. It’s the pit. It’s meant to be condescending, insulting, and disrespectful (and I have to be me).
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I’ll have to go with Revtim on this one (even though he won’t be caught dead agreeing with me) – I’ve never quite understood why lame attempts at insults from some random unknown fool sitting in his mother’s basement posting anonymously on some messageboard, should matter anything to anyone. You’re just cluttering up my thread is all. At least you could try to put a bit of effort or giggles into it.
No where in that article is there any mention of the Church in the OP. Apparently, some of the occupations were done without permission, and some were. And yet, even in the two churches mentioned in that article, I don’t see any place where the Church has demanded that the Muslims leave, or made any effort to force them out. One of them even requested that they move to a different church building. Said request being complied to without issue, as near as I can tell.
What the fuck does “dhimmi” mean, and what makes you think that using it over and over makes you clever?
Then that’s illegal and wrong behavior, as everybody here has already agreed.
It’s still absurd, however, to argue that groups of Muslims temporarily occupying churches to draw attention to their appeals for legalized refugee status somehow portends the forced “Islamicization” of the entire Christian West. That’s not just a slippery-slope argument, that’s a bobsled-run-in-an-ice-storm argument.
Pretending that people who refuse to get hysterical about this issue are thereby somehow deliberately courting second-class-citizen status under an Islamic theocracy is sheer mouth-frothing paranoia, and cannot realistically be expected to alarm a rational person. It is not scary to be called a “dhimmi” by a dummy.
And my uncle Bob who worships Odin is also using the word “God”. Doesn’t mean Allah and Odin and the God of Christians is the same. And I personally never bought the line about it being the same god – if that even makes any sense.
I don’t know how they do it in Daneland, or where ever the hell you’re from, but this is an American messageboard, and in American, it’s spelled “tee hee hee.” We don’t want none of your heathen onomatopoeia around here.
Well I guess that makes you condescending, insulting, and disrespectful - possible danephobic too.
nighty now, y’all me-too’s.
And that’s the point, isn’t it? Not that I think anyone doubted it, but this line is pretty revealing. You simply don’t like Muslims, and you like insulting them whenever you have the opportunity. There’s nothing about this use of a church that has any particular significance - even you don’t believe that this is “desecration”, which (as I and others have pointed out it’s not.) You just see this as a slim justification to get in your digs at a billion people that you simply don’t like. Why not at least be honest about it, though? A sneaking, lying racist is not somehow preferable to one who admits his feelings.
Out of curiosity, given your name and your uncle’s religion, should I conclude that you’re a neo-Nazi/Aryanist? Norse traditional religion and interest in runes and other pre-Christian (and hence, pre-Semitic) influences are quite common amongst neo-Nazis. I’m guessing that’s what your name is a reference to.
At any rate, this is not really a matter for debate. It’s simple fact; if you learn a bit about that group which you hate so much, it will become clear. Arguing that the Christian and Muslim gods are different is like arguing that the sky is purple. You can do it if you like, but it’s not actually a matter on which reasonable people may disagree.
I’m pretty sure Miller served that last one with a heaping helping of irony.
aw! you recon?
Hmm. In my town, one church is a tourist information centre. Another sees occasional use as a theatre. A third is home to a model railway club. There’s many many possibilities 
On a serious note - are these ‘occupations’ actually protests? From what I can see from the dire cites, it’s more a case of using the church as a place to live. Which, I’m guessing, might be the only legal way of having a roof over their head from day to day.
Oops. Sorry.
“Reckon.” Recon is what you do when you scout a region to gain military information.
As I see it, there are two issues here:
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Are the Muslims in the churches there with the permission of whoever is in charge of those churches? (“Whoever is in charge” not meaning “all Catholics in the world,” but “the priests or church officials and lay board of directors (if Catholic churches have those- I presume they do) in charge of these particular churches”.)
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Are any modifications they are making to the churches strictly temporary?
If the answers to both questions are yes, then I have no problem with what they’re doing, nor would I have a problem if you replaced “Muslim” with “Christian” or “Jewish” and “church” with “synagogue” or “mosque”.
If and only if the answer to either question is no, then there’s a problem.
I’d like to think that using churches for non-Christian worship means that the non-Christian group that’s doing it is taking over (I can’t wait for my share when the Jews do take over the world ), but I just don’t see it.
Interest in runes and Norse mythology is also common in people who aren’t neo-Nazis. (I can’t believe I’m defending Rune in a thread about Muslims)
Look Excalibre, you’re just pouring shit out your mouth. I assume you read all threads on Christianity as an excuse to insult two billion unknown people and all threads on Bush as an excuse to insult 200 million odd yanks. Me, I think any subject and any group is up for grasps. But for the record, Rune is my name, my Christian name even. Though I know and have known quite a few who was involved in the whole Norse God business, and I have to tell you, you show a certain kind of bigotry (disrespect and all that) by your easy and automatic link between the Norse religion and your Nazi this and that – which I know for a fact is an association they very much dislike. What I also know for a fact, is that God is not a matter of facts but of belief and faith. And stating that it’s a fact that they’re the same Gods is just stupid. Especially when you have four dozen Christian and Islamic sects which won’t even recognise each other’s version of God. And now I’m really off to bed.
I know that. I certainly wouldn’t suggest that those things signal neo-Nazi affiliation. But his increasingly transparent hatred for Muslims is another bit that supports it. Are all people fascinated by pre-Christian Germanic culture, and simultaneously expressing hatred for Muslims, neo-Nazis? Nope, but a lot of 'em are. I was just asking. Personally, given what he’s said in this thread already, it wouldn’t really change my opinion much if he was.
If he is, and admits it, it will make the actual matters under argument a bit more clear. He’s spent the entire thread dancing around his hatred for Muslims; it doesn’t seem like a huge leap to think he might be dancing around something else as well.
Thank you for removing my doubts to your religious bigotry. It is good to see medieval thinking is alive.
Of course Allah is, again, the same word used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews, and historically the Jews held the Muslim conception of God as compatible to them.
But I am sure this will have no effect on your thoughts.
Just a simple question. You can’t possible pretend that it’s that big of a leap to go from your opinions on Muslims to guess that you might adhere to a larger ideology that would support those beliefs.
Further, you know perfectly well that - and I even said so - I don’t think Norse religion is particularly linked to neo-Naziism. It’s your blatant hatred of Muslims that made it plausible; the reference to Norse mythology was just the little tickle that brought the thought to mind.
And, seriously, “And stating that it’s a fact that they’re the same Gods is just stupid.” You can believe what you like. Have whatever faith you want. That doesn’t change historical fact. Do you know anything about comparative religion? Because there’s been continued worship of El since before the rise of monotheism; it’s simple ignorance to claim that Muslim scriptures - which describe the same events and people as the Hebrew Bible - are actually describing some different God (whose name “Allah”, of course, can be traced to the same proto-Semitic roots as the Hebrew “Elohim”.)
A “dhimmi” is a non-Muslim living legally in an Islamic theocratic state. As such, they’re subject to special taxation, and open legal discrimination. Not much fun (though, arguably, a dhimmi in the Middle Ages was better off than a Muslim citizen of a Christian state. Depending on period, and politics.)
Of course, the chances of any broadly-secular Western democracy with a long Christian tradition and an overwhelmingly non-Muslim population ever becoming an Islamic theocracy which discriminates openly against non-Muslims … well, they’re roughly on a par with my chances of getting into the Japanese women’s Olympic pole vaulting team. But the prospect doesn’t half seem to worry Lonesome Polecat.