Payne Stewart's plane crash

Wikipedia says:
On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, Stewart’s life was cut short while flying in a Learjet from Orlando to Texas. National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a gradual loss of cabin pressure early in the flight and that all on board died of hypoxia, lack of oxygen. The plane, apparently still on autopilot, was observed by Air National Guard F-16 fighter aircraft of several states. Other than frost on the plane’s windows, the military pilots saw nothing amiss but were unable to directly observe the Learjet’s pilot or copilot, who did not respond to repeated radio calls. It is likely that the pilots and occupants already had lost consciousness. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Aberdeen, South Dakota, after an uncontrolled descent.

If the plane is on autopilot, does that mean it just kept a heading and an altitude until turned off? How else can you mean to go to Texas from Florida and end up in South Dakota?

I imagine it’s basically cruise control for airplanes. It maintained the vector and altitude until it ran out of fuel.

Autopilots can maneuver a plane using many different mechanisms including some very sophisticated ones. However, I am not sure how relevant that is to the answer. Jets rarely get to fly GPS direct. That is, the get routed by controllers and have to follow established airways that are like roads in the sky instead of flying straight point-to-point. If the airplane was on autopilot heading north and west at the time the depressurization occurred, a likely case is that it was set to keep flying at that heading to an assigned altitude. If you look at a map, you can easily draw a line that shows that the plane was instructed to head north before turning west and the accident occurred before the westward turn was to be made.

It was flying basically right up the Florida peninsula and was scheduled to make a left-hand turn. It never made the turn and flew until it ran out of fuel.

Pretty much, yes, autopilots hold altitude and heading.

The simplist autopilots are also known as “wing levelers” Meaning they keep the wings level, which means the heading will only change slowly. Properly trimmed, aircraft often hold altitude fairly well without pilot intervention, and are likely to climb as fuel is burned off.

This happened in '99 and the jet was probably older than that, and avionics can have long development cycles…so there it is quite likely that this aircraft did not have GPS integrated into the flight controls.

Which means the autopilot would moste likely have been using a gyroscopic compass as a reference. These can drift some, over time, so the pilot has to compare it to his magnetic compass and give it a tweak if required.
They could have been taking a less than direct route, either to avoid, or to join traffic. Air traffic controllers like to start getting landing traffic lined up in order a long way from the destination.

I’m just going by memory but if it serves correct, what first alerted Air Traffic that there was a problem is when the plane missed a scheduled left hand turn near the Florida panhandle that would vector it towards Texas.

So, (and I’m not a pilot) I’m guessin’ they either hadn’t plugged the command into autopilot yet or the autopilot was just used to control the “straight legs” of the trip, while the “turning joints” were performed manually. Again, just speculation.

I remember reading at the time that President Clinton was briefed on the situation and OK’d a shootdown if the plane strayed over populated areas. It never did, and was allowed to crash.

A sad end to a very talented golfer, and those aboard the plane with him…

If the same thing happeded today, assuming the most modern comparable jet with the latest avionics, would the ending be the same? Is there no way to somehow intercept the plane and guide it to a safe landing?

Jets can’t be controlled from the outside and that actually is a safety feature. I once proposed an idea here where a pilot could push a series of emergency buttons very quickly and the plane would lock the controls for good, notify ATC, and execute a safe landing at the most suitable, nearest airport. The technology is already installed in most newer airliners except for the switch and the airport choosing algorithm. People didn’t seem to like it though.

The only hope would be if the pilot had already decided to program the autopilot to fly from point-to-point before the problems. Newer autopilots can land airliners just fine and you may have even been on a flight were they did and not even have known it. They have to test the system at regular intervals to maintain its certification. Some can fly runway centerline to runway centerline although I don’t know how often pilots use it for a whole flight.

Think of the terrorist safety concerns with taking over control of jet externally. I don’t think we’re likely to see that anytime soon.

Why did this happen? Don’t small private jets have oxygen mask systems? If not, I’m amazed, if so why would a slow loss of pressure cause the pilot to black out?

There was a fatal air crash last August in Greece, involving a B737.
Although The final accident report is not published yet as far as I know, it has a similiar scenario to the Stewart accident but caused 121 deaths.

Here are a few details of the Helios accident
In this incident a pressurisation problem is assumed to have incapacitated the aircrew but there was no way that the 2 F-16 pilots could intervene to help, even if a passenger or cabin crew member was at the controls (with an oxygen mask on for instance) as was mentioned in the article.

It’s a common misconception by some folk that flying aircraft in a pc simulator would help someone fly and land an aircraft in real life.

Most investigators suggest that it wasn’t a slow loss of pressure.

Read about it from the NTSB Here

6 minutes between talking normally and not responding.

They had supplemental oxygen onboard, but didn’t get on it fast enough to keep from passing out.

Because of this accident, you can’t even buy a LearJet with a sunroof anymore.

I just got through the road warrior thing (i.e., splitting lanes for 33 miles on the 405) so I haven’t looked for a link. But IIRC the O[sub]2[/sub] bottle was empty, as it had been used on a previous flight and recharging was overlooked.

Do I remember correctly?

Hard to tell,

We’ve had at least one prior thread on the Payne Stewart crash, but I’m having trouble finding it/them…

A story out of Europe on building such a system:

Depends. 1999 is pretty late for something like a Lear Jet to not have a GPS capable of being flown by the autopilot. At any rate, it would have had a slaved gyro compass or direction indicator. The gyro drift is not present as the direction indicator is slaved to magnetic north. Anything more sophisticated than a light piston engined twin would have this, most light twins have it as well.