Some of Gobear’s comments in the OP were well reasoned. The ones suggesting the protestors want to hug and congratulate bin Laden were gratuitous projection of his own anger. They were not well reasoned.
Well, hell, dropzone, this is the Pit. Having at least some of your OP be well-reasoned is doing pretty good, I’d say.
Hell, having ANY of my comments well-reasoned would be an IMPROVEMENT! 
Well, yes, but the use of the same word “responsible” makes it sound like a moral equivalence, **Sterra. **
In my moral view, the Allies deserve credit for killing Nazis and the Nazis deserve blame for committing genocide.
Don’t you agree?
Gee gobear, don’t you think you ought to look at the context before making this kind of statement?
Or if you prefer…
gobear, you are a pathetic excuse for an American.
or…
fuck you, gobear, you horrible piece of shit.
Gee, being on this side of the thread is fun! Quick, make some more posts so I can question your patriotism!
Oh ferchrissakes.
A few of my friends went to the protest. They’re not short-sighted terrorist-huggers; they’re average people who think that maybe the government should see that not everybody in the US is itching for a war.
That said, they were completely duped as to the nature of the protest (by a certain anarchist who happens to be dating one of em…the whipped bastard). It was “oh, there’s no anti-capitalism aspect to this” one day after defending the anti-capitalism aspect of it. Dunno how it actually turned out, but I sure wasn’t as heck going to a protest organized by nutcases with a piss-poor track record on the “not getting our protesters teargassed and arrested” aspect.
Damn it, Otto, aren’t you paying ANY attention? I’m the un-American one here. gobear is playing Archie Bunker.
Oh, so you’re another one of those “cowards,” huh? Not willing to stand up for your beliefs cuz you might get gassed? Back in my day it was a badge of HONOR to have your sinuses burnt out from tear gas. No, that was somebody else. We were just burnouts.
Yeah, I joined TeenAged Republicans–during the Nixon administration–because of a girl, so I know what your friend is going through.
Well, whose knees are really jerking here? You’re doing exactly what I complained about in my earlier post - protesting for the sake of protesting. I hardly think that Gobear is gratuitiously insulting anyone who protests the status quo. I mean, he’s already stated in this thread that he is a gay liberal Democrat. He’s gratuitously insulting morons who simply can’t abide anything a governing body might do. If the US government ever decided to disassemble itself, leaving us in a state of glorious anarchy, they’d probably protest that, just because the government did it.
These kids are, for the most part, whiny, spoiled brats. On a personal aside, I spent my junior year of college studying in Jerusalem, Israel. When I came back to the US, hearing complaints about how horrible the country was made me sick. I had just returned from a nation with serious problems, and here were kids in the new cars their parents had given them, complaining about how screwed up America is. Not to say that everything is hunky-dory here, or that protestors don’t have the right to say what they will, only that they should grow up and get some perspective on the world before they go out and act like complete asses.
I just think it was kind of ironic that some of the anti-war protestors attacked cops.
Yeah, these people quoted in this (excerpted) AP article (sorry, no link) sure seem like whiny spoiled brats to me…
So were there some kids there who maybe didn’t have the best idea of what’s going on in the world, maybe a little naive, maybe a little idealistic? Sure. So what? I guess they didn’t realize there was some quiz they were supposed to pass before they had the right to oppose war.
When I used the phrase “whiny spoiled brats” I wasn’t speaking specifically about these protestors, I apologize if my poor editing didn’t make that clear. I was making a generalization about people I have known in the past most of whom I imagine are protesting right now. They aren’t so much naive as they are completely separated from reality. These protestors have the right to do whatever the heck they like. And I have the right to disagree and roll my eyes.
I say we give these protestors a free lift to Afghanistan, and maybe drop a few off at Osama’s camps. They can spread their love and peace to the Taliban and Osama all they like.
Does someone have to be 50+ years old, with long grey hair and a beard to rally for peace? It seems like it. All the rest of us are called ‘spoiled brats’ and told we have to “grow up and get some perspective of the world” before we can say anything. I forgot you have to have a fucking Phd before you are taken seriously in this world.
Well, I have one thing to say. Fuck you, I will protest for peace until I die. I am young, but I have a right to say whatever the hell I want whenever the hell I want. I am not a spoiled brat. Mommy and Daddy never bought me a car, or helped me out financially for years.
And I also have a question for gobear and all the rest of you “fuck the protester” types: Since 9/11, these ‘kids’ have been out there actively taking part in a cause they believe in; what the fuck are you guys doing? Are you standing up for what you believe? Are you going to protests and marches for your causes? Or are you just flying your flags and throwing a little money at the Red Cross?
These kids are taking an active role for something they believe in, not just pissing and moaning on a fucking message board.
peace,
JB
Doobieous
Dipshit.
jabe
OK, I gotta call bullshit on this. Their opinions aren’t less valid based on what they may or may not have done “for the cause.”
Well, actually, jabe m’boy, “throwing a little money at the Red Cross” is far more useful and purposeful than what your pals are doing.
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The Bush administration was just itching for a war, and absolutely jumped for joy when they were given the opportunity to have one on Sept. 11. Because it’s doing such good things for the U.S. economy.
(Not directing this at you or your friends, Kyla. Just the general, misguided sentiment.)
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Dipshit.*
Yeah, fuck you too, punk ass.
Here’s my question: Why do anarchists protest against capitalism?
First let me say I do not condone killing or war.
Some things to consider:
How many more people would that suspect killed if he had not been chased down and got away? Was he speeding or a murderer on the run? If we do nothing, the attacks will continue. Their goal, remember, is to try to goad us into war.
As bad as I feel for the people in these impoverished 3rd world countries, they have got to take some responsibility for allowing these monsters to run their country. I’m not saying it would be easy for them to take it back, or that they would not loose lives but we pulled it off against the british. Yes they are poor, but they are also apathitic (yes, I realize not all are).
If you stand for peace, then don’t attack cops, do it legally, show your face and toss the effigies - in other words GROW UP!
And most importantly, don’t just stand there and yell “peace”, offer some realistic solutions. This make-love-not-war ethos works great…if you think like we do. Unfortunately bin Ladin does not. He is a fanatic and will not abide by your ‘hug’ rules. He will keep killing Americans til he’s stopped.
I understand you are scared of retaliation, everybody is. But doing nothing will NOT make the problem go away. Or the killing stop.
I ask you pointedly, dropzone, what is your solution?
Sorry to the Brits. I obviously meant to captalize “British”.