PennDOT doesn't know how to plow snow !

So, we had an ice storm yesterday. I didn’t go out yesterday, it was a very bad idea and the roads were bad, as anyone would expect.

Last night, the television started scrolling the schools were having delayed openings. Ok, no problem, I can see that. At about 8:00, the schools started to close. I’m saying to myself why? I thought maybe the electricity went out.

I decided to go grocery shopping.

I live in a private community, our roads are shitty, they always are because the plow guy we hire won’t come do anything until a good 24 hours after the bad weather stops, but I’m used to it. Once we leave the community, we are on a main road, it’s a busy road, it’s the only way to the highway, so you would think that, at some point a plow truck would go by. It hasn’t happened.

I get the kids in the car, manage to get out of the community, get on the main road, it fucking sucks. Nothing at all has been done. The cars are sliding all over the place. We had to turn around and go home.

It’s nine o’ clock A.M., the snow stopped at midnight. What the fuck is the problem ! In 9 fucking hours they can’t get here ? We’re not talking about cowpath or anything, it’s a main road, a state road.

The real kick in the ass, is that the state yard, where all the area snow plows are and the workers report to work, is on this road !

Penn DOT sucks !

A native Pennsylvanian checking and yes, PennDOT blows. They never plow shit. The only time they plowed the road I used to live on in PA they managed to low my car in and I couldn’t get to school.

Yup yup yup… I have yet to try driving in this crap, but I’m not looking forward to it. I have to go up over the NY border this evening to do a favor for a friend… I’ve only had my license since August, snow and ice are not good things… I’m more than a little worried about it. Fucking PennDOT.

Well, at least down Altoona way, things aren’t that bad now. There was ice yesterday but by 2:30 AM it was mostly slush here.

Although I have to agree that PennDOT sucks just on general principles.

Heh. I grew up in Chester Co., PA and now I’m in Maryland. Last Thursday I was cursing the MD DOT (or whatever the acronym is) for apparently not ploughing a lick of Rt. 410 by 8:30 am, snarling to myself that in PA, the roads are ploughed because there people know how to deal with snow, goddammit. I guess nostalgia fogged my memories.

(But at least Pennsylvanians aren’t complete mouthbreathers when it comes to driving in poor weather. Here, it seems like traffic slows to 30 MPH below speed-limit at first rain drop.)

When I got back from Texas, my car was almost snowed in. There’s still snow in the gutters, making it difficult to get in and out.

Robin

Sounds like we live in the same development! Stupid all of Northeast Pennsylvania being covered in snow…
At least my school was cancelled! =)

-M

Ooh! Ooh! I especially love that if it snows on Sunday morning, then it won’t be plowed until Monday, because all the plowpeople have the weekend off.

-NardoPolo, who is also sick of having to shovel out his driveway twice - once to shovel the snow that falls from the sky, and again to shovel the snow that the plowpeople push back into the clean driveway.

This site is run by a friend of a co-worker. It’s not too active, but it is a little glimpse into just how much ill-will there is out there towards Penn DOT.

Another native Pennsylvanian checking in with a joke from high school:

What’s yellow and snores?

A Penn DOT truck.

Or is this an old one?

Please remember that PennDOT may not be responsible for your local area roads – the crappy conditions there might be the result of the shortcomings of your city or county.

That said, PennDOT not only sucks, but Dick Skrinjar, the spokesblatherer, is a nitwit of dynamic proportions. And he has massive problems with the concept of veracity.

And we were kept up most of the night from all the sand trucks staging through for their loads 24/7 beginning before the first ice crystal formed. Damn sandy bridges anyway.

he he he

Another Ex-PA native here.

Oh Boy oh Yes Penndot blows. I grew up halfway between Pgh. and Erie, in a super-rural area that I believe Penndot reserved for storing all the snow they cleaned up from other areas. Fortunately, since they never actually did anything, it wasn’t too much.

I always heard the set-up question as “What’s yellow and black and sleeps three?” But of course there can only be one punchline.

Anyway, why’s it so surprising PennDOT can’t plow snow? They can’t fix roads, fill potholes, or do anything else halfway useful. I must admit, though, they’re awfully good at changing every exit number in the state and confusing the hell out of everyone in the process.

And have you noticed that thing where, when it snows, MD’ers don’t necessarily slow down (at least not on the Beltway!), they just PUT THEIR FLASHER ON! It’s like, “I’m not slowing down, but I’ll extend you the ‘courtesy’ of letting you know I’m coming so you can get out of my careening way.” WTF?

P.S., GF, I grew up in Chester County, too! Lived in Baltimore (“SoBo”) just after college.

Philly native here. When I was in college, I met a guy from Michigan who used to laugh at the snow we’d close for. 3-6 inches? Bah.

Now I’M in Michigan, and I see what he’s talking about.

Oh, and PennDOT sucks. But then, we loved it as kids when school closed for even a snow WARNING.

…which isn’t so bad, but they never plow the fucking snow, either… d&r

There is, however, one good thing about snow coming to PennDOT land. At least it fills up the potholes so you don’t have to worry that your little Honda might not make it to the other side :eek:

Is that why they’re doing that?! I couldn’t figure out what was up with all this indiscriminate hazard-light usage I’ve been seeing, because the cars aren’t slowing down or pulling over or doing anything that could actually, you know, prevent me from crashing into them.

What part of Chester Co. are you from, wireless? Me, I’m from West Chester. I miss it. :frowning:

Except I don’t miss the poorly-maintained highways. When I drove up to Gettysburg last month, I could tell when I crossed into PA just from feeling the sudden bumps in the road.

Heh. SC DOT can’t plow worth beans either…

…every frickin’ time it snows, they get out their what, three snow plows? and scrape off not only the snow on the roads, but the little reflector bumps also (with the occasional lane stripe if it was one of those stick-on reflective types, not painted). Every. Single. Freakin’. Time. Never mind they would save a lot of money if they recessed the reflector bumps into the road so they wouldn’t be scraped off all the time… that would mean work! :rolleyes:

But it sounds like PennDOT probably takes the cake here.


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The roads where I live were plowed pretty well by the time I had to go outwards the day of the big ice (last Thursday). Penn DOT did a fine job on both of the SRs (State Routes) and at least did something with the tertiary road that leads to the gravel private raod I actually live on.

I used to work for Penn DOT as a college summer employee. I was the person who held the STOP/SLOW sign. I risked my life for seven bucks an hour and spent my days walking 10 miles in 90 degree heat and 80% humidity carrying a 20 lb steel pole with a steel stop sign on it while drivers of all persuasions screamed language at me that would make even the most seasoned of alcoholic sailors blush.

I know where the stories of the do-nothing Penn DOT employees come from, because there are times it happens. And then there are times that we busted our asses working overtime with little or no rest to make sure that a road was travel-safe. All in all the twenty guys I worked with are responsible for over 200 miles of SRs, which are your more major state highways that are named with a two or three digit number, interstate highways, and untold miles and miles of tertiary SRs whose designations consist of four numbers. The guys who actually drive the plows have to be supported by other guys, so there were never twenty trucks on the road out of one garage at once, because someone had to stay back to operate the front loader that deposits anti-icing chemical, salt and sand in the trucks, someone else has to run whatever other maintenance is going on at the time (such as repairing a sink hole that could kill someone) there has to be a crew available to handle emergencies that come up (accidents, downed trees, downed telephone poles, damage to guide rails and other highway structures) and someone’s got to be out cleaning up whatever the hell it is the storm knocked down. If there are 10 fully loaded trucks running out of one garage at a time, it’s a good day.

Each of those trucks has an assigned mileage area to cover, and they try to keep up with it, but if the snow and/or ice is still coming down, it can be quite difficult to plow and anti-ice a road completely on a constant basis. It’s especially important to remember that to plow a 10 mile stretch of two lane road, the driver will definitely have to plow twice (once in each direction for each lane) and will have to fill the Tandem dump truck several times with sand, salt and anti-ice. The trucks hold only so much.

Now I’m not saying there are no lazy Penn DOT workers or that there are no times they could do a better job, but there are times that they do the best they can, and they can’t do anymore. The guys who were out at 10:30 pm starting to anti-ice before the big snowfall had already worked a full day on Wednesday, they were already scheduled to be at work at 7:00 am on Thursday, and they were called out in the middle of the night to prepare for the snow. Without 3 inches of snow on the ground, they cannot drop their plows because the plows are protected from damage by at least a one inch clearance and a rubber strip. If the blade of the plow actually touched the ground, they’d have to be serviced far more often due to breakage of plows, and it would damage the road itself. Thus, they have to wait for the snow to build up to a level where it is safe to plow.

Most of them are trying guys, please understand that there are limits to Penn DOT (or any other DOT’s) abilities to turn winter into summer as far as roads go. Snow is hard to clear, ice is harder. Especially if the temperature drops below 20 degrees and most of the anti-icing chemicals that are still legal for use on roads (pollution and all) lose effectiveness.

Please don’t toast me too much for being a former Penn DOT’r.