Huh, to be honest now I can’t remember if I infact heard that right (what, you expect me to watch this stuff sober?), but that was the general tone I got from each speech. Her’s was all about her, while Obama’s just had a more universal tone.
I know, IMHO it’s pretty MP too. Pit me if you must.
As an Obama supporter I do believe this loss can just be brushed off in regards to November. Murtha and Sestak are both prominent, Military experienced, anti-Iraq War Dems. As long as they support Obama in the general, that is a big block of voters that will look his way. As well, having the support of the popular and charismatic Governor and Mayor of Philly certainly didn’t hurt Hillary either.
I just think that strong, local, political support was the real difference maker tonight; which means Obama should have no worries there in Nov.
I guess.
‘I could go for some peanutbutter cups about now, though. You know what thats about.
Hellooo Washington!’
You do realize you proved his point???
Your dad is in Kentucky to work. When he stops working, he goes back to Clairton.
Obviously, if Clairton is economically inert, then the economically mobile - the young - will leave. Places like Clairton will, just like economically inert towns in Mexico or Peru or any other dead place you wish to name - have old people, young folks too young to make the move yet, and a paucity of those in their true working years, because they will be elsewhere, working.
My dad will be buried in the economically inert town he moved from 60 years ago. That doesn’t make it any less of a dead place. Figuratively speaking, as it were.
Well, to an extent. I don’t currently live in Pennsylvania.
But my folks aren’t leaving because they are too poor to go - though this does apply to some people. They have a little bit of money and job skills. And they aren’t going anywhere.
When my dad finally retires for good, he’ll do so in Clairton.
There are a lot of younger people in PA too who are underemployed or poorly paid. moving would improve their prospects in some cases - except that many of them cannot envision living anywhere else.
I know this happens everywhere, but it seems to affect the folks back home quite a lot more than other places I have lived.
The whole “Pittsburgh/Philadelphia/Alabama in the middle” joke is one I wish were true. In Alabama Obama won by 56%/42%. What do you think the reason is for her support in Pennsylvania?
That’s a sweet, sweet story about your sainted parents, Moto.
How sentimental.
What it says about Pennsylvania’s demographics is beyond me. Do you think your parents are representative of a larger trend? Are more people over 50 moving into small towns in PA than moving out? Or are there a lot of people in small towns in PA who’d like to retire to warmer climes, like so many others from the Rust Belt have already, but who are trapped in houses that they can’t sell for much because the people who’ve already died or moved out have left plenty of houses behind that already can’t sell?
The singular of ‘anecdote’ is definitely not data. When come back, bring data.
A net gain of ten, count 'em, ten delegates for the Senator from New York! What a completely relevant result in a state where both candidates are likely to beat John McCain.
Other than being African-American, by far the best predictor of who one will vote for, of these two, has been age. And PA, with the highest old-to-young ratio of any sizable state, is about as favorable turf for Hillary as there is.
And she could only win PA by 9.4%.
Clinton won last night. She gets to limp along to Indiana and NC. But she’s blown her last, best chance to gain ground.
2.3 million people voted in the Democratic primary yesterday. That’s nearly 80% as many votes as Kerry got in PA in 2004. And this was in a primary, a closed primary.
I should point out that that’s not a final or complete tally. They’re showing Clinton by 75-65 but PA has 158 pledged delegates.
The 55 statewide delegates will be divided 30-25. The other 103 are apportioned by congressional district, and I’m gonna let other, more energetic people do that math.
I agree 100%. She needed a decisive 20-30% win - didn’t happen. So like what was predicted here earlier she’ll get a little wind in her sails today but as for surging ahead of Barack…didn’t happen. Barack’s next predicted wins will make-up any ground he lost in PA.
OK, where’s her next big win? As far as I can tell, she’s out of home states. Obama will make up in NC what he lost in PA. Going into last night, my unofficial spreadsheet showed that Hillary needed over 64% of the remaining pledged delegates to catch Obama in that category. With some of the PA delegates allocated, she now needs over 67% of the remaining pledged delegates. Her climb is now steeper. She gained 200,000 in popular vote, surely the next big pair, IN and NC, will wipe out much if not most of that gain. She still trails in the national polls. She still provides a weaker ticket for Dems to run under. I don’t see over 2/3 of the remaining superdelegates wanting to lose the black vote just to nominate her.
Exactly, like has been said many times - she got a slight gust of wind in her sails. But Obama’s end game strategy he already played in February and March…Clinton effed up back then saying those little states were inconsequential, those mid-atlantic states didn’t mean much…that was her biggest blunder and will ultimately cost her the nomination. Obama’s national appeal is still way ahead of Clinton’s and again, when he is the nominee, only a percentage of the Clinton voters need to vote for him…but there is a large percentage that would hate another republican in the office more than a black man. And Barack has a likability factor and trustworthy factor that will send him over the top in November.
Yeah, like spinning that an expected, not-terribly-consequential-to-the-delegate-count victory is going to propel Hillary into the White House and everybody’s going to throw roses at her inevitable victory parade!
