People who don't spay/neuter their goddamn pets!

Okay, this has me steaming. My sister-in-law (well, my SO’s sis-in-law) recently had 15 dogs. That’s right, 15. And no, she doesn’t run a shelter or adopt them from the pound. She had 15 dogs simply because she refused to have her 1 female dog spayed. Said female got pregnant, her puppies inbred, and so forth.

Her excuse? “Well, we just don’t have the money.” They don’t have the money?! These are the people who bought their 10 year old and their six year old $300 Harley-Davidson leather jackets. However, she just can’t “manage” the $30 it would take to spay her dog. And now she’s bitching and crying to everyone because she’s stuck with these dogs and no one will take them. I personally own 4 dogs myself (all rescues) and just can’t have any more. And no one in her neighborhood wants them because a) they’re not “purebred” :rolleyes: and b) they’re rather large dogs. So after weeks of the neighbors screaming and animal control warnings, she handed 10 of them over to the pound. Better the pound than running loose in a neighborhood where they were going to be a) run over or b) shot by a local redneck.

All this resulting from one dog!

So now she’s down to 4 dogs. The original female, still not spayed, and 3 of her original puppies. None of these dogs have had shots, exams, heartworm preventive, nothing. I finally broke down the other day and said “Look. I’m going to call and make an appointment for Choppie (original female) to get spayed and examined. I’ll pay for it, you just take her down there.” Her response? “I just can’t handle that right now. Ask me later.” :mad: What the fuck?

Not spaying or neutering a pet is so fucking irresponsible. God!

Amen to that - although I seriously question that spay fee you’re talking about. When I made the appointment for my dog, it was $150 for the spay itself, plus another $50 for a pain patch. My cats cost me $90 each to spay (2) and neuter (1). All three of my cats are rescues.

Unfortunately, I have developed a reputation as a kitten-rescuer, which has resulted in an unknown person or persons dropping off bags of kittens on my front porch in the dead of night - several times. I take 'em to my very understanding and generous vet, who examines them all for anything contagious and/or terminal, and then I take all the adoptable ones to a shelter. The vet deals with the un-adoptable ones, and he’s been kind enough not to tell me HOW.

Good god. I have never had to pay more than $60 to spay or neuter a pet. And she was a big dog. Maybe it depends on where you live? Plus, I didn’t mention the fact that I had sent away to www.spayusa.com and got her certificates she could redeem at her vet that would have dropped the cost to, say, FIFTEEN DOLLARS. :smack:

Note: Not that pets are worth paying that much for. I’d pay double that to prevent unwanted babies; I’ve just never seen such high prices.

Erg! That should read “Not that pets aren’t worth paying that much for”!

Sorry.

QGG - that link took me to another planet. ???

From what I gather, my vet’s fees are pretty comparable to others in the area. Our doggie is a Mastiff, so she’s a REALLY big dog, but as I said, the cats weren’t much cheaper. And I agree - it’s worth whatever you have to pay.

Omigod@where that link takes you. :eek:

It should be www.spayusa.org

Christ, sorry about that!

This issue gets me steaming too.

There is NO good reason to have a litter of puppies. A fellow I know (who unfortunately died of brain cancer) made a page about a litter of pups he had via a rescue dog. I think it should be required reading.

http://hometown.aol.com/MsMollyDog/Penelope.html

Let me tell you, I’m no fucking sap, and my usual response to the “Save BooBoo in Bghastickisdfsgasdgs by forwarding this 2235234 times” emails I get is a big old fuck you to the sender.

But this had me ready to cry. I mean, I was doing some serious sniffling.

Thanks for sharing that, Cranky. I’ll be passing it on.

:slight_smile:

After I say what a bucked up fasterd she is, since this is the pit I’ve got to relay how the vet I had one of my cats fixed tacked on $30 to the fee after we went to pick up the cat. The explanation? Anesthesia wihch wasn’t included in the quoted price!

Buggerall

PC

How shitty of that vet. Don’t quote me on this, but I think you can contest charges like that. If the vet gave you a solid price and not an estimate, then decided to tack on the $30, that’s called…er…fuck! Price-gouging? Or something? Anyway, it was nasty trick to pull.

How awful-and the Penelope story. So sad!

Most of you probably remember my meltdown last year when we had to put our kitten, Tess to sleep. I can’t IMAGINE not getting a pet fixed.

:frowning:

That was such a sad link, Cranky. I hope lots of the people who visit this thread have the good sense to pass it along. I know I will.

It cost at least $90 to have each of my cats fixed. There have been four over the years, and they were sent to three different clinics, so I gather that figure is about par for the course in southeastern Michigan.

Staring down a $100+ vet bill for a “free” kitten is what keeps many pet owners from spaying and neutering, I’m sure. I wish people could get it through their heads that, no matter what they pay to acquire a pet, properly caring for an animal involves many expenses besides the cost of food. Sharing your life with other living things is an expensive prospect and a great responsibility, goddamnit!

Surely it has cost this woman more to keep her original dog plus the pups than it would have to just get the dog apayed in the first place!!??

Exactly. That’s the point I’ve been attempting to drive home with her for the last three years. Paying $30-60 now is going to be a hell of a lot less than paying for the consequences later. But some people, you know…

Jeezus. We bought our first dog (still have her), Mira, when I was 6 years old (I’m 20 now). We didn’t have her spayed right away because we wanted to have puppies. BUT, before we even did that, we made sure that we had owners available for any puppies she would have, and we knew the potential owners and knew they would take good care of a dog. After she had her puppies (and all puppies immediately had a home to go to after 8 weeks), we had her spayed.

It breaks my heart when I see a dog or cat that has a health problem or item that needs to be done, and the owners say, “well, we don’t have the money,” or, “it’s just a dog/cat, not a person”… If you can’t afford to take care of a pet or don’t think it’s worth it to take care of a pet, then (this is an amazing concept) Don’t get a fucking pet!!!

I can’t even begin to tally up the vet bills for Mira. She had to have a C-section when one of the puppies was coming out the wrong way and the umbilical cord was strangling him. A neighbour (asshole) poisoned her with rat poison when she was 2 years old, which required a trip to the emergency vet and more surgery. She’s had to have tumors removed (they were benign, but I think could be malignant if left alone. Sorry for fuzzy memories, I was only about 10 when that happened). She has a terrible skin condition (that thankfully wasn’t passed onto any of the puppies. And the skin problem didn’t manifest itself until a year after she had her puppies, so we didn’t know) which requires special shampoo and steroid shots at the vet. She’s deaf. Her eyes need a special ointment to keep from going blind; it’s $400 a year just for that stuff. She tore ligaments in both back legs a year apart; needed surgery for both of those events. She got gastroententeritis (sp?) in March, requiring a trip to the emergency vet and a 4 day stay at our regular vets (MUCHO $$$$). She has daily pills to take and eyedrops/ointment to use as well. She gets special dog food (the regular dog food is okay, but the prescription one helps her skin out and is easier to chew for an old dog *. There’s even more stuff that’s above and beyond basic “food and vet checkups” costs that we’ve shelled out for her. The last time my mom checked, it was over $10Grand (and that was several years ago).

There have been times where we had been saving to get (for example) a new stove. and just when we had enough money set aside, she’d need to get one of those surgeries. My grandma would tell us to just put her down because “she’s just a dog” :mad:. But she’s our dog, and when we got her we took on the responsibility to take care of her as long as we can. If she was continually suffering, yes, we’d probably put her down. But after each surgery, she recovers completely. She’s actually more active than some dogs younger than her (although I know the addition of Ziggy, a 5-year-old adopted dog, has helped with that; competition makes her hustle around. ;)), she has all of her teeth, she can still see, she can still go for walks around the block (about a mile long). She’s just an old dog. She has arthritis, but she’s still able to get places.

As I said, if any dog is in any prolonged pain, then it would be cruel to make them suffer longer needlessly, and putting them to sleep should be considered. But as long as they can live a decent life and they’re doing okay, you bought the pet, you are responsible for the well-being of the pet. If you cannot handle the costs of your pet, then you should look to find a responsible owner to adopt it, and consider NOT getting another pet until you can take care of it.

Wow, sorry for the slight (major) hijack. I guess I’ve had a lot of pent-up annoyances about this subject. :slight_smile:

QGG, can you call the pound and find out their euthanasia stats? They’ll likely not tell you whether your sister’s puppies were euthanized, but hopefully they’ll let you know how many euthanasias they do in a day, or what percentage of animals are euthanized.

For our shelter, it’s in the neighborhood of 70% of animals brought in that are euthanized. And it’s because of folks like your sister. You’d be amazed how polite we manage to be to folks who bring us litters of puppies because they can’t be bothered to have them spayed.

If she feels comfortable being responsible for killing ten puppies a year (and it’s her responsibility, not the animal shelter’s), then more power to her. But she should know that that’s what she’s doing: killing puppies.

Some Facts.

Daniel

Daniel

OK, QueerGeekGirl. You’ve got me. Sigh I’ve been irresponsible. I have a pet and I have not taken care of her yet. It’s true that I’ve kept her away from males, so there shouldn’t be too much of a risk for a litter, but, since one can always count on the unexpected happening, I suppose I should own up and finally do the right thing before we get caught with an unexpected litter.

I can only thank you, QueerGeekGirl, for reminding me to do this for my beloved Smokey. Do you realize that I’ve had her for nearly a year and haven’t even thought of getting her spayed? My God, I feel like such an irresponsible dolt!

Now, where do I go to have my hamster spayed? :smiley:

Zev Steinhardt

Zev, have you ever been around a new hamster mom? Much of my childhood trauma comes from the wacky cannibalistic hijinks that enter into the sacred mother-child bond between hamsters.

And it wasn’t always the mother doing the noshing.

That said, I don’t think you gotta worry TOO much about hamsters. Just keep the little fuckers away from one another, and you’ll be all right.
Daniel

Time for a retard moment.

You guys have been putting QGG at the beginning of questions directed at me, and only this minute did I realize it was the initials of my screen name. I sat for 10 minutes last night wondering what fucking acronym that was, and why I hadn’t run into before.

Jesus. :rolleyes:

</end retard moment>

Daniel:

The shelter here has a 90% kill rate. You heard me right. 90%.
And they told her, upfront, that the majority of the pups would be put down, because “people just don’t want dogs, especially big dogs or girls”. :mad:

<nitpick>She’s my SO’s sister-in-law, not my sister. I point this out only because if she were my blood, she’d have gotten a thorough ass beating over this. :)</nitpick>

Thanks for the fact sheet.