People Who Don't Take Off Their Shoes Upon Entering My Home

Another Minnesotan here. Rural, very rural, Minnesotan.

Shoes off, in my home or others. Where I live, there are no sidewalks or paved driveways leading up to anyones home. No curbs, no gutters. Very few businesses even have paved parking lots. We have about 15 feet of sidewalk out the front door that, with the weather we’ve been having the last week or so, currently ends in a sea of mud that’s an inch or two deep. In the summer the mud is packed gravel driveway that fades into grassy lawn. But right now “Mud Season” is starting and it’s only going to get worse… the sea of mud is almost surrounded by 6 foot high snowbanks from the snowplow, and all that melted snow has to run off somewhere. The lay of the land dictates that it all runs across my driveway and past my garage to the low area behind us.

Heck, I’ve even been known to remove my footwear before getting in my car. I have a pair of rubber barn boots that I’ll wear through the mud to get to the car in the detached garage, carrying my shoes. Change into the shoes, leave the boots in the garage. When I get home I’ll slip out of the shoes and put the boots back on to get to the house. Once I get to our little strip of sidewalk I’ll kick around in the snow a little bit to clean the worst of the mud off the boots before I step into the breezeway/mudroom at the side door.

It’s not just me…everyone I know deals with this from March through April or May every year.

I would just choose to not visit your house, then. I find wearing shoes indoors to be EXTREMELY uncomfortable (I don’t even like slippers. I love socks, though). I find it as annoying as you would find wearing a pair of big, insulated ski mittens around the house. I’m one of the lucky people, by the way, who don’t have smelly feet. Back when I used to wear thigh-high boots for a 6 hour shift dancing, I’d take them off at the end of the night and my socks would still smell like laundry detergent. No joke.

As to other people in my house, I usually invite people to take off their shoes so they know that they can do it if they want, but I don’t care one way or the other which one they pick.

I grew up in Arizona, for what that’s worth… though I wish I had grown up in a cold, snowy climate, as it’s by far what I prefer.

It’s completely understandable that “shoes off” is common practice in cold, snowy, or muddy climates. And even in warmer areas, i have no problem at all with the custom. Although, just to add to the Canadian experience so far cited here, i’ll say that during the two years in lived in Vancouver, and in the times i’ve visited there since, shoe removal was not practiced that often at all.

I think that what i (and some others) were most bemused about when reading the OP is that CheekyMonkey apparently has no fixed rule about it, but instead expects her guests to be mind readers. Rather than bitching about “rude people,” how hard is it to say “Would you mind taking your shoes off before you come inside”?

…we should be careful not to confuse character flaws with cultural differences, especially when those cultural differences have a very pragmatic basis.

Heavens! What island nation is this?

I’ve only ever entered one home where there was any question of shoe wearage and that was a customer call on a nice lady that had some sort of Eastern temple erected in her front room.

“Thous shalt not tread past the altar of Zeemus shod!”

Very strange.

My husband and all his friends wear lace-up construction/combat boots. All the time. It is extremely inconvenient to take your shoes off in those circumstances. I keep the deck shoveled and provide throw rugs to keep the mess to a minimum. Also, you have to go through the tiled kitchen to get to the living room, so if anyone has funk on their shoes, they can hang around in the kitchen until they’re dry.

We have friends who make us remove our shoes in their house. We comply, of course, but we both feel it’s very rude. I would never make people remove their shoes, but I certainly don’t mind if people do. I’m usually barefoot around the house whether my guests are or not.

I do think it ought to be noted here that I am both a good host and a good guest. If a host asks me to remove my shoes, or if it’s evident from the big pile o’shoes at the front door already, I will certainly remove my shoes. If my guests enter and remove their shoes, I wouldn’t dream of arguing. It just weirds me out. Likewise, I don’t smoke in other people’s homes, nor do I smoke in my own home when non-smokers are present. Common courtesy requires one to assess others’ comfort levels and act accordingly. You would be welcome in my home, barefoot or not, OpalCat, and I would never let on to you that your shoeless feet make me squirm internally.

I don’t make anybody do anything…it’s more of a tacit agreement. I wouldn’t dream of walking through someone elses home in muddy shoes, and thankfully most everyone that comes through my home feels the same way.

We have, however, built and/or provided as many “buffer” areas as we can between the great outdoors and the living areas of the house. A deck on the front of the house, a breezeway at the side door, mats, rugs, and durable easy to clean floors (vinyl or tile) immediately inside.

Shoes off is a year round thing…spring and fall are muddy and wet, winter is wet, and summer is grass clippings.

I’ll have to tell my daughter all this – she has a lot of Canadian web-friends whom she plans to visit someday. But, like Yosemitebabe’s sister, taking her shoes off is a pain. Doe has Cerebral Palsy and putting her shoes on and off is a Big Undertaking for her. Given the Canadian shoes-off cultural preference, what should she (and Yosemitebabe’s sister, and LynnBodini) do?

She walks with crutches, too. Years ago, she went over to a friend’s house to play. The friend lived around the corner from our house, so her mother hadn’t met Doe. They knew each other from school. The little girl came over to our house and invited Doe over for the afternoon – her mom was going to have a tea party for them with their American Girl dolls. Sweet. But the little girl’s mother wouldn’t let them in because she was afraid the tips on Doe’s crutches would mark up her white carpet. She actually said this, BTW – something along the lines of “This isn’t going to work. I didn’t know you walked with those and this is new carpet.” :eek: I was actually pretty proud of the way Doe handled it. She said, “Oh. OK. We can go back to my house – our carpet is old and brown.” :smiley: For the life of me I can’t imagine why, if she was so worried about her carpet, she didn’t just have the girls go around back – this was San Diego, everybody in our neighborhood had a patio.

Anyway, I probably wouldn’t pick up any of the OP’s hints – I’m pretty oblivious and don’t come from an area where shoes-off-while-visiting is typical. The shoe rack wouldn’t be a clue because I’d assume it was for the use of the people who live there. I have a shoe basket myself, and rarely wear shoes inside my own home – but that’s for comfort, not for the carpet. Sometimes people ask me if they should take their shoes off in my house and I tell them to do what they like. I say, “I take my shoes off because I prefer to be barefoot – you do whatever makes you more comfortable.”

I truly, utterly, completely HATE THAT!!!

I hate wearing slippers. Socks are fine in my house for ME, but I despise slippers. May they burn in the fire of a thousand suns.

WHy do you get so much mud on your boots? Even in rural areas, I don’t go trodding about the muck. If my shoes were soaking wet, I’d take them off, but if I was soaking wet I probably wouldn’t be going over to someone’s house.

Wow. Half my life in NYC and half in Boston and the ONLY time I’ve been requested to remove footwear is when I was visiting my uncle and Chinese-born aunt in San Francisco–and they had a shoe rack as soon as you walked in and asked me nicely, not dictated it to me.

Now, of course if I’m wearing fugly muddy or snowy boots I’ll take them off–my mom has a special mat and will bring a chair right away when you come to the door after it snows, and so do I. But ordinary shoes or sneakers in good weather? I’ve visited dozens of friends’ homes in cities all over the East and West and it’s never crossed my mind to remove clean shoes–they’re part of the outfit after all, and while my feet are fine I do have long toes that hate being stubbed or played with by puppies and stuff. If I’m wearing a nice skirt with good stockings I would be especially loath to take them off, stockings are expensive and get ruined so easily. If I’m visiting you in the Northeast I’ve probably been traipsing up and down subway stairs and lawns and have walked many blocks to be there. When I go to the theater or a party I just bring good shoes with me and change into them a block away in the street–takes a second.

And yep, I’ve been to Canada visiting relatives in Cape Breton and Halifax and it was always shoes on, although I can’t remember whether said relatives where wearing their own all the time. But I wouldn’t dream of taking off my shoes in anybody’s house except those of very close relatives or friends, and I’d be pretty miffed if I was told, not asked, to do so by somebody.

Well who knew this post would hit a nerve, so to speak! I honestly wrote it here, to get my venting out, instead of asking my guests to remove their shoes.

Funnily enough, I consider it rude for me to ask a guest to remove their shoes, so I never do. But I see here that some people would never think of it, unless I ask them.

I was half joking about the scent of Pine Sol in my home, but some took it literally. What I meant was: If you come in and see my home in immaculate condition, you should wonder if I want your shoes off and ask. If you ask, I’ll say yes. On the other hand, if we’ve just come back from a camping trip and we’re shlepping the equipment back in, through my home, to the storage ~ no, it’s unreasonable for me to expect no shoes. But I will make a mental note that I must clean the floors soon.

As for carpet, that isn’t my case. I have tiles and hardwood floors. Oddly enough, I’ve seen comments to me like, “If you care more about your floors than you do about your guests…” In all actuality, I think it’s less comfortable to keep your shoes on. Part of my repulsion to people keeping their shoes on is that it’s almost insulting to me that they wouldn’t “make themselves at home”. To me, leaving your shoes on in my home is like leaving your jacket on. It implies, “I’m just here for a few minutes.”

What doesn’t make sense to me is that I have no problem walking around barefeet outside ~ to the parking lot, to bring the garbage out, doing a project out on the lawn. And I don’t worry about coming back in the house barefoot. Although, in the summer, I do clean my floors more frequently than in the winter.

I did see a comment about workers coming in the home, who remove their shoes before crossing the threshold. I’ve always seen that this is the case. I don’t think I’ve ever had a phoneguy, cableguy, plumber, repairman etc. come in my home without leaving their shoes off outside the front door! People who come in for just a few minutes (landlord wants me to sign something, upstairs vet neighbour bringing me information about my cats) mostly create an invisible barrier. They will not walk past my entrance. One friend dropped by my house 'cause she had to pee and was still about 15 minutes from home. She was about to take her shoes off. I told her not to bother because I was doing the floors that day. She tippy-toed all the way to the bathroom. This was not a rainy, snowy, muddy day. This was in the middle of summer. When I saw her do that, I thought, “It’s nice to see that respect.”

So yeah, I guess Larry Mudd hit the nail on the head ~ must be a Canadian thing. Funnily enough, come to think of it, any time an American has come into my home, they haven’t taken their shoes off. My Australian fiancé doesn’t either. For some reason, that doesn’t bother me as much as my Canadian friends not doing it. I always took it as, “They aren’t comfortable to make themselves at home.” The two American homes I’ve been in had a Shoes Outside The Front Door Policy. This could be because they’re Canadian Ex-Pats living in Las Vegas.

Speaking of, in my apartment building, most people leave their boots outside of their apartment doors on a mat. I don’t, but just because I don’t want them stolen. Come to think of it, my gynecologist has the same rule. Shoes off outside the door. Not outside the examining room door. Outside the office door. You know what? Come to think of it, so does my tanning salon. Shoes off before you walk in. And wow! Now I’m thinking of it, so does my hair salon. But she offers slippers.

I think it has now been firmly established that this is a cultural difference. I grew up in Oklahoma, live in Texas. No one, absolutely no one I have ever known would expect you to take your shoes off upon visiting. I’ve never had anyone ask me to take shoes off while visiting their house, and no one has asked when visiting mine. It’s just … not done. Because of that, I feel that the removal of shoes at someones house is a very definitive declaration of informality and close friendship, that the people involved are comfortable enough with one another to forgo the social norm.

So please, Northerners, when one of us Southern types is visiting, explain in clear words what is expected of us. As explained by others above, no amount of hinting is going to get through. Except, of course, for those of us enlightened enough to read this thread in the SDMB :cool:

This thread has reminded me of a thing we have in the Southwest called “boot socks”. These are socks that are so ugly or ratty that you would never wear them with anything that would let them show. Cowboy boots cover up your socks, so you would save your “boot socks” for those times when you were wearing boots. Imagine the embarassment of some cowboy who is asked to take off their boots and expose the pink and green argyle socks given to them by Aunt Tilley.

Maybe you people in southern climes don’t quite understand exactly how mucky shoes can get in snowy places. Winter boots are designed with lots of ‘tread’ to stop us slipping on the ice. These treads are also highly effective at trapping bits of ice, snow and salt, and generally retain some no matter how hard you try to knock it out before you enter the house. When you walk into a house with this treaded footwear, the ice and snow start to melt, dissolving the salt, and resulting in several ounces of nasty liquid, which you can either track through the house or allow to puddle at the door. This melting generally takes a little while: even if you think you’ve cleaned them off, they can keep dripping for a surprisingly long time. It’s much, much easier to clean when it’s puddled at the door.

After six months of this, plus another three months of summer sandal-wearing (and I kick off my sandals at every opportunity), the habit is just ingrained in me.

yosemitebabe, Jess, Lynn: Interesting question. I have not yet encountered such a situation where shoe removal is difficult due to medical reasons. If you found yourself in Canada in the winter and visited people’s houses without removing your shoes, you would soon realize that you are tracking all kinds of nastiness through the house. Solutions that spring to mind: a bootie like the furniture delivery people use, maybe, or bring a small brush to clean the shoes off at the door, or just take extra care to stamp all the dirt out before entering. Also, I’m sure if you discreetly explained the situation to the host, the host wouldn’t object and may offer a solution of his/her own.

Interesting point, cheeky, about being insulted that they don’t feel ‘at home’ enough to take off the shoes. I agree ! When they leave their shoes on, it feels kind of like they’ve left their coat on - I always feel like they’re either about to leave, or thinking about leaving.

bnorton: seeing people’s silly socks is all part of the fun !

One note re: smelly feet

I have smelly feet. If you don’t wear your shoes in the house (yours or anyone else’s) your feet smell much less, because they get much more airing out.

See, this is what gets me: You’re placing the burden of determining appropriate footwear in your home on your guests. That’s not where it belongs. You need to suck it up and tell them what the rules are in your house.

It’s apparent this is a cultural issue (although I assumed it was only Japanese; it never occurred to me that it was Canadian as well, although it makes sense). I would hate to offend you if I visited by keeping my shoes on, but I would not know unless you told me that it was common practice. So, you’ve gotta be the one to let guests know.

This thread explained something to me that I had thought odd. My friend came over one day last month to try out my new exercise bike. She had never been inside my home and when she entered she asked if I wanted her to remove her shoes. I told her to do whatever she felt comfortable doing. I don’t wear shoes in my house but that’s only because I have very wide feet and I want to be comfortable while at home. Anyway now seeing this thread I realize she saw the huge shoe rack right inside my door and thought it was a sign for her not to wear her shoes in the house. Instead it’s actually a sign to my kids to put their shoes where we can find them so we don’t have to search the house looking for shoes.

Well I can’t boast to 54 years, but I’ve spent my entire life in Texas and I live in a community where most folks have a shoes off at the entry preference. Only one of them offers slippers for her guests though. Several do have shoe racks near the entry. I don’t think any of them would actually be irritated if you choose to leave your shoes on unless they were caked in mud and you were tracking it inside.

I’ve never been to a formal dinner party where people wore tuxes and formal dresses that was held in a private home. The “formal” affairs I’ve been to have been in ballrooms, museums, private rooms in fancier restaurants, or “public homes” that are rented for such occasions. Clearly, these formal affairs are shoes on occasions, but on the rare nice dinner parties in private homes where the gentlemen wear a business suit and the ladies wear dresses, it seems the ladies tend to choose to leave their shoes at the door and men tend to keep them on. Frankly, most entertaining in my (admittedly limited) social circle tends to be fairly casual or family events such as BBQing, grilling, or themed potlucks.

I’m near Houston Texas where the seasons are hot, hotter, rainy and hurricane, for point of reference.

Your sister (and Lynn Bodoni, and Jess’s daughter) would be accommodated without fuss or comment. Unless they happened to be visiting very rude ignoramuses, that is. We do have them in Canada unfortunately.

However in most cases, we are raised to bend over backwards to make our guests feel at home. Anyone coming into my home would only need to indicate that they are not comfortable removing their shoes and it would immediately become a non-issue. If you ask me, it’s far more rude to expect someone with a physical need for footwear to remove it than the other way around. But even if they are simply uncomfortable removing their shoes for no particular reason, again, they will be accomodated without comment.

Even being raised with this social habit myself, I find it unreasonable to expect people to remove their shoes under ALL circumstances. If I’m that worried about dirt, I have a mop and broom and know how to use them, after all. It’s just as ridiculous IMO, to be all offended and mortified by shod feet in the house as it is to be all weirded-out by unshod feet. But I’m not someone who is very easily offended so YMMV.

The OP explained herself above with regards to her expectations for other people who are presumably raised with and adhere to the same social conventions as herself. I highly doubt that the OP, or any other properly raised and socialized person for that matter, would expect someone to remove to their prosthetic leg inside their home, for heaven’s sakes. That’s ridiculous.