I have never said that a kid throwing a tantrum is ok. It happens, and responsible parents mitigate the disruption caused to others as much as possible. What you are overlooking is that the child is an honest to god real PERSON. The “thing” that you are equating to a cell phone, alarm or other such nonsense has thoughts, feelings and may express them–much like you are right now.
So if a person introduced you to their family you’d ignore the kid? That must be something to see.
The situation is pretty straightforward; you’re an asshole. Some assholes hate Jews, some hate blacks, some hate women, you hate kids. Either way, you’re an asshole.
My experience re: obnoxious children in restaurants is the same in New York City. I notice obnoxious adults far more often. For every movie that was disturbed by children being there inappropriately I can remember at least three movies where some obnoxious adult disturbed it.
There’s no way I’m reading 10 pages of posts, but I want to say to the OP:
Bra. Vo.
You couldn’t have a more worthy target for your vitriol.
And my guess is that these same obnoxious, disruptive people will tell you that they hate children. Their entitled attitude allows them to believe they can act in any way they see fit simply because they have reached the age of majority.
Oh, and just for the record, in my little corner of the world I can dine and shop rarely encountering this extremely disturbing phenomenon of children run amok with no parental attention.
At Brunch yesterday I went out and ate in the garden behind a local restaurant. Man there were so many kids there. I kind of wished some of the haters from this thread had been there when the like 8 kids from several different families all showed up at the same time.
This thread is shameful. It’s trolls trolling trolls, in a huge and shameful circle.
Stop being retarded, stop putting words in each others’ mouths, and stop pretending that “I hate this kind of scenario” means “I hate kids.” It looks like some fucking hand-wringing contest from here. Everyone’s assuming that there’s a horrible injustice being done by the masses of child-haters unleashing their dogs on people willy-nilly, when there is not. There is nothing of note happening.
It’s no more irrational to be put off by the idea of loud children in a quiet public setting than it is to be unwaveringly accepting of every repeat, scream, and utterance by anyone under 13 just because those keebler munchkin little kiddies are just so gosh darn cute, and you’ll only understand after your body’s undergone those hormonal changes by having your own life-fulfilling extra mouths to feed.
Serious christ.
Uh, hon? If that means me you are way off. Well, not totally - yes I am angry that I am forced to fund other peoples’ lifestyle choices and that I am expected to be happy to do so, and yes I guess I qualify as older. But I am not bitter, am not a shut-in, do not have a miserable life and am no where near the “final flush”.
Funny, this makes you look like an emotionally immature, self-absorbed, narrow-minded, narcissistic, pinched little jackass. You get upset because we don’t want to help you financially to raise you kids? You automatically assume that when someone says “screaming brat” they must be talking about your kid? You don’t like it when someone would like to be able to run their own life without your interference?
Yes, parents and children are a part of society - the problem is (at least in the US), they have become viewed as far more important than their actual worth. Which has resulted in more and more entitlement, and more and more posts like this - " how DARE you not love my children and not want to throw money at them!"
Your world is apparently not for adults - mine is. Life is for contributors - children cannot contribute, indeed they take resources for quite some time before they can begin to put back.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Spectators?? Less risky, less traumatic, less valuable, less human? Oh please. Do you honestly think that the only people that do/experience these things are parents? I mean honestly now, can you actually feel that the only way one can have a fullfilling life is to have children??
This should be directed at you. You made a choice, you simply cannot expect everyone in the world to be happy about it. There are so many valid reasons not to have children and really only one to have them - perpetuate the species.
Oh, BTW, childless by choice doesn’t not necessarily equal child hating. Some of those folks didn’t have children because of health issues, some knew they couldn’t afford them, some just felt they shouldn’t due to lack of a strong drive to have any. Yet they love their nieces, nephews, neighbor kids; they work as teachers, in daycares, in hospitals. Me personally - I went from raising my last two brothers (and doing a damn good job) to resenting having children shoved down my throat at every turn to actively avoiding the entitled brats running amok in various areas of my life.
Apparently, the message that said child’s parents should be removing said child from the store/movie/restaurant where the meltdown is happening is going whoosh over your head? We all understand that young children cannot be expected to behave at all times, but that doesn’t give any parent license to continue to let their child assault the ears/eyes/noses of everyone around it.
Dunno about the brothels but there are children in the bars here. Since we don’t have any (that I know of) brothels in California, there are no child free places here. Even my own home, since the neighbors think it should be ok for their kids to play in my yard.
Not really sure what any of that has to do with the subject?
I have had and loved dogs and cats all of my adult life, yet there are people who hate dogs and cats. We don’t all love the same things and there will be people out there who hate the things you love.
Dumb. This is the kind of insular idiocy that we should try and remove from society. I am pretty certain you have made some life choice that I am paying for. Did you get student loans? Have you ever called the police? Have you attended a public school?
Have you ever used any sort of service funded by tax dollars?
The answer to this question is “yes”. I’m sorry for you Ron Paul supporters, but some sort of use-based tax system where you only contribute to things you find personally useful doesn’t work.
Nobody expects you to be happy to pay taxes. They do, however, ask you to stop frothing on a message board with long multiquoted line-by-line “rebuttals” of a position that isn’t even what the discussion is about. It’s fine if you don’t like kids, or if they annoy you. Just shut up about it already, and stop asking people to go out of their way because of your unreasonable, idiotic, unthinking, non-normal, uninformed, non-reality-congruent, and ironically childish outlook on life.
Depends on what you mean by “the rest of society”. If you mean everyone except the poster you are responding to, you are wrong. If you mean everyone but a very few, you are still wrong. Probably the closest to right is “most of the parents of current young children”.
The next time I have a puppy to raise, it’s OK with you if I bring it to the store while you are there to let it run amok and crap on the floor? And don’t say the puppy isn’t as important as a child, because that puppy is more important to me than any child is. And don’t say that I can’t bring the puppy to the store legally, because if it happens to be the one I am going to train as my next service dog, I can.
You know what the difference is? I won’t bring that pup out into general public until I am pretty sure it knows it’s manners, and if it slips we leave. There is simply no reason to bring an uncivilized child to a store or restaurant, or to stay there if it becomes uncivilized.
The sad thing is, this describes most children these days. Whatever happened to parents who could actual parent?
No wonder you are on about this thread in the overpopulation one - you misunderstand even the basic definitions. Childless indicates that you feel your life is lesser without children, that you would have loved to have had them if you could. Childfree indicates that your life is free of something you didn’t want.
You aren’t entitled to inflict a screaming child on everyone else either. The world owes you exactly nothing.
OK, I’ll believe that the whole time you are eating at a nice restaurant, your just over one year old child never makes any noises that are significantly louder than average, never throws anything on the floor, never messes it’s diaper, never makes an unappetizing mess of that fancy food - hey, it’s possible. But for the 159,047,243 other children out there who cannot behave that well at that age, you teach them table manners at - ta da! - home. I didn’t go to an actual restaurant until I was 12 and I certainly don’t have any problem eating out.
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Those aren’t lifestyle choices. I will note that I pay taxes to support the police (whom I have never called) and those other services.
I don’t know who Ron Paul is. WRT use-based tax system, that doesn’t really have anything to do with parents getting tax breaks, me paying more so “kids eat free! or kids stay free!”, me working more for the same pay because the fourth coworker in a year is out on maternity and all the other things I end up paying more for so things cost less/are made easier for parents.
If you don’t think my responses are on topic, then you should probably point out what part of it you misunderstood.
Gosh, so nice of you to tell me it is ok to not like your kids. As for shutting up about whether or not I like them, I’ll shut up as soon as you shut up about how “children are our future”, “having children is an unselfish gift to society” and all of the other unreasonable, idiotic, unthinking, non-normal, uninformed, non-reality-congruent, and ironically childish things parents-who-are-really-breeders tend to spout.
I’m not pretending that. I’m pretending that “I hate kids” means “I hate kids.”
I do know the difference, but I don’t think you do:
The puppy IS, according to our society, less important than the child. If you no longer want the puppy, you may take her to the animal shelter to leave her there, where she will probably be killed. You may take her to a vet and ask for her to be killed, and many vets will comply with your request. If you leave your puppy at home in a crate while you go to the store, you will not have committed a crime. That’s just one of the differences; I suspect you’re incapable of recognizing the others, but I can cite laws showing this difference.
What ridiculous cantankerous bullshit. I hear disruptive children every day, but that’s because my classroom is next to the autistic children’s classroom. I see about three hundred kids every day, and I would estimate that maybe 5% of them are genuinely disruptive.
Then show me the law against it, and show me how it’s enforced. Show me how often these “most children” are kicked out of grocery stores for having a meltdown by the managers. Show me whatever shred of evidence you have that your hysterical overreaction is anything more than a vanishingly thin minority of people.
The hell do you think our future is: plastics? ficus plants? disembodied brains floating in vats of liquid?
However unreasonable you may be about children, this takes the cake: of COURSE children are our future, if by “our” you mean “our species.” Denying that is some serious craziness. You may not like 'em, but unless you have a TimeCube theory of the functioning of time, this one is a no-brainer.
Except there’s no sign on the door, and no expectation of a grocery store being a child-free zone. Parents are entitled to carry out their daily tasks even if it hurts your ears for a while. That’s the social contract we have. You don’t have to like it. None of us do. But you DO have to live with it. Just like rainy days and late busses.