Two different ones. Sorry if you can’t keep up.
You mean the insults, exaggerations and fantasies that you have been posting?
You keep adding layers to explain who you’re talking about. First it’s “non-parents,” then it’s people who never want children, now it’s this weird “childfree” thing, which somehow is a different category from people who never want children. I get it…“childfree” describes people who have no attraction to children at all. But that’s not what you said in the first place. You said that parents have a higher tolerance for children’s bad behavior than non-parents. Excuse me for being confused as to who you’re referring to. Now I see that you are saying that everyone else in the world has a higher tolerance for children than this super-select, small number of “childfree” people. Which leads me back to the thought that it’s not the children who are the problem, it’s you.
Well, I’m speaking for them based on the fact that I know most of them really really well (sister, best friend cousin, remember?) I think I could figure it out if they hated children. And while I don’t know my daughter’s preschool teacher VERY well, I’m going to be wildly presumptuous and assume she doesn’t hate children, either.
Unless you retired at a very unusually young age, I’d be willing to bet you fall somewhere in the 29 year span that the seven of us cover.
Well, I missed the edit window, so allow me to add: I didn’t say you were my age, I said you likely fit into the same generation as my siblings and I. As such, I have some experience and knowledge of societal norms at the time. And I still maintain that your claim that children were not taken out in public until they were in their tween years is simply a pile of crap.
My great great aunt loved kids. She raised three generations of them. One day I found her in the bathroom taking some advil, and I asked if her knees were hurting her again. She said no, that us kids gave her a headache. You don’t get to pick what noise causes you pain.
Unless confirmed otherwise, I still suppose that it was taking care of the children the whole day (or at least some time) gave her headaches, not encountering other kids at at the supermarket.
That was also the time when men had wild phantasies when seeing the naked ankle of a woman, when people had sex in darkness only, when children where slapped on the backs of their hands in school, when women doing “men’s jobs” where looked upon, and when Rosa Parks had a rough time to find a seat on her bus.
I don’t think we want to go back to that place.
You seem to be one of theses old ladies we very often see in movies, I didn’t know that they really exist. The kind that is completely disconnected from current reality, the one who desperately clings to “her time” and which completely lacks understanding for the younger generations (plural!).
A child which is not active, running around, trying to explore things, shouting from time to time for Christ’s sake, is a sad child and will not make a happy adult - IMHO.
Reading your posts where you recount your childhood I can imagine where your hatred comes from. It’s actually sad.
Your post said that people who don’t like kids don’t get headaches from them. You didn’t specify a time frame or a locaion.
Fuck’s sake, you’re a pathetic soul.
Listen, Cruella, you’re the one who’s been dripping your exaggerations about roving hoards of screeching children and the parents who ignore them. All I did was make a funny. As in a joke. Making a funny comment isn’t “reach[ing] for exaggeration constantly,” - that’s just retarded.
Oh, wait, I’m sorry. Have you never heard jokes before? Is your life in child-free land that fucking humorless? Was that part of your sterling upbringing? You weren’t aloud to laugh out loud lest you irritate the grown-ups? This is all making so much more sense now.
Sigh then I will add it now - you could have made some efforts to connect the dots, putting my post into the context. I was responding to people who avoid kids in the supermarket, saying they get headaches.
I get headaches from the storm warning sirens, even if they are only going off for a few minutes. I like the storm sirens–I think they are a good idea, since some folks don’t have cable tv to warn them about tornadoes or golf-ball sized hail. But my appreciation for the siren doesn’t stop it from giving me a headache. Your assertation that people who like something don’t get headaches from it is not logical or fair.
I will agree with you on this. I’m mildly allergic to cats, but I’ve always had cats and I intend to keep cats as pets despite the allergy.
I’d even go further, and suggest that adult humans and immature humans have something of a symbiotic relationship when it comes to the cries: adults who are not irritated by immature human cries have a lesser chance of passing their own genes along (since they’re less likely to ameliorate the conditions causing the cries in the first place), and children lacking irritating cries have a lesser chance of growing to maturity (since they’re less likely to be saved from mortal danger). Having an irritating cry, and being irritated by children’s cries, are highly adaptive traits.
Certainly my 14-week-old daughter has several different cries she makes, indicating everything from boredom to bellyaches to pain. I’ve only heard the pain cry once or twice, but it felt like a rasp on my skull, and you better believe I got her out of the situation causing the cry (I think the bath water was too hot).
Exactly. Evolution-wise, people who are more irritated by a child’s crying are more likely to do something to make the child stop crying, thus ensuring the safety and well-being of the child. There is nothing wrong with being annoyed by a crying infant or screaming 5 year old; it’s perfectly normal to be bothered by those sounds. To those people who think some of us are monsters for not wanting to put up with it, I challenge you: go find someone who likes the sound. Go on, I’ll be waiting right here.
The idea that children should be seen and not heard is nothing new.
http://www.famous-proverbs.com/15th_Century_Proverbs.htm
Besides, it’s not that children aren’t taken out in public, just that they shouldn’t throw a tantrum in Aisle Six, kick people’s seats, or run around in a restaurant. Your response that it’s just what kids do, is…lame.
Are you not the one who said that children should be seen and not heard?
Bolding mine. Business owners have every right to decline business from any person, pet, or thing (think businesses that ban cellphones–or kids) that they like–as long is it does not break any laws. If they can maintain their clientele and are a successful business–go for it.
My question to you is–Why is it, in a cause that you are so involved with, you cannot find a law that requires removal of a service dog under any circumstance? If it were my pet issue, I would be up to date on the laws.
You have posted exactly one angry post in the UK, and admit that the woman complaining was detained based on the fact that she threatened harm to others. When, exactly was the blind woman with the service dog denied services?
Also, the majority of people in our country own dogs. Why would they wig out about dogs?
http://www.tufts.edu/communications/stories/070901BestPet.htm
And show me, please, where I said anything like that?
Curlcoat said she didn’t even go to the grocery store until she was 9, and not to a restaurant, even like McDonald’s, until she was 12, and she implied that it was because that’s the way it was done in that time. I called her on that because my siblings and I grew up in that time and I know that isn’t true. Yes, children were not as much the center of attention they sometimes are today, and yes, there was a little more general understanding that some things were just for adults, but the idea that children were not allowed out in public until they were well past their young childhood is a crock.
I fully agree that children shouldn’t throw tantrums, kick other people, or run around pretty much anywhere indoors. The thing is, I rarely see them do that. And almost always when they do those things, there is a parent right there to deal with it, so it doesn’t go on more than very briefly. In my experience it is nowhere near as common as some of our posters here would like us to believe.
Listen, if you don’t want children, more power to you, please take steps to insure you don’t have them. If you don’t like children, well, some people don’t. Your choice. Just don’t try to make the rest of the world conform to that choice. I’m sorry your particular block or neighborhood seems to be full of horrible children. (I suppose there really are places like that, even if I’ve never known one.) But it’s not the norm. Don’t insist that it is. My children were not perfect angels and I will never say they were. But we did a pretty good job of teaching them how to behave in public. They were not screamers, they didn’t run around where they shouldn’t, and we kept them from bothering other people. It can be done, and with most kids, it is.
I own three dogs (in the US) and it’s my experience that people wig out about dogs all the time. If I go for a walk with my quiet, well mannered dog, I see people cross the street to avoid walking past us, kids running away, and I’ve had more than one person tell me that I shouldn’t walk such a big dog on a leash. What should I walk him on then? I had a guy tell me that I couldn’t walk the dog past his house anymore. Sorry dude, public sidewalk. I was sitting at a red light last summer and a guy in the next lane with his window rolled down started freaking out and yelling at me that I needed to control my dog–who was sitting quietly in the back seat, not even looking at the guy. People are weird about dogs.
Holy excluded middle, Batman! I’m irritated by the sound of the crying, and I totally understand that you’re bothered by the sound. Again and again and again and amotherfuckingGAIN I’ve said that this isn’t the problem. The problem is, and I quote you,
The sound of an autistic person moaning is also irritating. The smell of a person with certain debilitating diseases is also irritating. It’s a long goddam way from finding those sensory inputs irritating to hating an entire class of people because of them.
I have a whole host of reasons for hating kids–the sounds, the smell, the mess, the breaking things, the disobedience, the repetitive questions, the whining and begging for toys or candy, the refusal to eat certain foods, the fact that society thinks we should all censor our language and topics of discussion while they are around… I could go on and on. I didn’t say that the noise they make was the only reason I don’t like them. But the people in this thread who make it sound like screamy noises shouldn’t bother anybody are wrong. The fact that I hate kids doesn’t affect anybody but myself and the parent of the kid who won’t stop screaming at the pharmacy, who I may decide to tell off. I take measures to prevent pregnancy so no kid will ever suffer my wrath, and I assume so has everyone who has my attitude toward kids. I don’t know why this thread has gone on for so long when the “problem” you have isn’t one that affects you or anybody else here. (I’d have taken even more drastic measures, but nobody will tie my tubes. If I were a dude they’d give me a vasectomy without thinking twice, but noooooooooo, I’m a delicate flower who may change my mind. Not.)