Um… isn’t safety the main point of hiring a babysitter? I can keep them safe and fed and entertained for 8 hours while mom is off at work. I am 23, and a few years will make no difference. My mother claims I’ve been telling people I’ll never have kids of my own since I was 7.
Assuming the well read and well spoken 10 year old was clean and courteous, maybe, but bear in mind that part of the reason I hate kids–and parents–is that I’ll be expected to censor my language and keep to “age-appropriate” subject matter. That’s not OK with me. Now, I’m not going to walk up to a 10 year old and start talking about hardcore porn and cussing like a sailor, because I wouldn’t do that to a 40 year old. But the fact that I’m expected to alter my mannerisms or language or avoid certain subjects does not sit well with me in any context.
I cannot believe I am coming back into this thread, but here goes:
She was completely wrong to assume that you are not good at your job. Yet you are insinuating that she is not a productive member of society because she’s disabled? I have to say that no matter how anyone feels about curlcoat, I’m shocked at some of the comments that are being made in regards to her disability.
We have people questioning her as if she is lying about being disabled, one who is insinuating that if she can drive she should be making money, and now it sure seems like you are considering her unproductive because she is disabled. So it’s okay to have these prejudices against disabled people, but you can’t dislike children?
I don’t like kids. Fortunately I do work so (whew!) I am productive. I am not mean to kids, I don’t expect kids to be seen and not heard, I normally don’t notice if a kid is crying in a grocery store, and at work (in each hospital I’ve worked in) I have always been considered one of the best on staff at dealing with kids. Kids like me and I have always been successful at calming them down in traumatic work situations and providing them comfort. Contrary to the limitation of some people’s minds, you can work with and help people you don’t care for. We’ve had rapists and murderers in the trauma centers I’ve worked in and I have done my job caring for them the same as I would for any other patient. It’s absurd to think one can’t do their job unless they like the person they’re working with. Well, maybe THEY can’t, but most of us can.
I do not want kids nor have I ever wanted kids. I would not have a long term relationship with a man who has children because of that. Because of this I am a bigot and evil and a sad person? I realize that not everyone in this thread has said such things, but many have. I don’t expect people to hide their children away and think that the world is only for adults. I pay taxes and support a few charities for children. I just don’t really enjoy being around them.
It just amazes me that there are people in this thread who are practically breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back for being the champion of kids everywhere while they take swipes at people who simply don’t like kids. I’m not talking about the reactions to people who are (it seems to me) being over-the-top with their hatred, I’m talking about people who just prefer not to be around children. Why would you care about another person’s preference regarding children as long as they aren’t treating any child poorly?
I don’t believe that she is disabled. She may be receiving disability benefits, but she is certainly able to process insurance claims if she is able to construct the posts here. In her own words it was mostly “keypunching”.
Maybe the pit is not for you. If you are truly shocked maybe you should grow a thicker skin. Sound familiar?
She is lying about something. I believe she hates kids. I do not believe, based on her posts that she is unable to hold a job, unless her disability is mental.
Oh I’m sorry, you’re not really first class enough for me to converse with. The only thing I want from you is more fairy tales about your fantastic life of champagne wishes and caviar dreams. Come on, tell us some more tales of how beloved your child is by service folks everywhere!
Now run along and team up with Zoe. Maybe the two of you can harness your brain power together and and figure out who the real curlcoat is.
So, you can’t dispute anything I have said in the last few posts? I fly first class because my company pays for the extra space so I can work in the air. In my experience the flight attendents are not nearly as old or as disabled as curlcoat claims to be. It is my experience. Surely you would not claim that my experiences are not valid.
You want me to dispute whether or not curlcoat is disabled or not? Are you sniffing glue? How on earth could I possibly have knowledge of her personal health? Moreover, why on earth would I care if she’s disabled or not? What could that possibly have to do with this topic? Instead of debating with her on the issues she’s bringing up, people want to attack her personally so that they can disregard what she’s saying as nonsense. If that’s what makes you feel better, have at it. You’ve already demonstrated that you have no problem looking down on someone regarding their job or lack of one so I really wouldn’t be surprised.
The thread is dying away after 24 pages, so just to add a little spice: I don’t really like dogs. I find them cute but I don’t want them to be near me. I do not hate them, it’s not their fault, but I am not far from hating people keeping them in cities and letting them sh**** it on the streets.
Oh, get a life and lighten up, Rubystreak! This is the BBQ pit, not Oprah! we’re allowed to have negative reactions to annoying people, whether young or old., and I don’t think it makes me a witch to secretly wish that the kid would just shut up and spare my eardrums. I get equally annoyed by loud, obnoxious adults in public, if that makes you feel any better.
That explains a lot right there, You ARE a child, and you hate your peers. So you’re not a bigot—thank God,—you’re just a garden variety sociopath. 23…hell, I have t-shirts older than that, Sugar. Still, it is refreshing to discover that you’re not a twisted, bitter, insane old harpy like your fellow Child Haters Club sister(?) curlcoat; you’re just incredibly, stunningly, completely immature. Maybe some day when you grow up we could have a real conversation.
You’ve’ gotta be shitting me…you honestly expect to walk through life doing and saying whatever you please whenever you want?! I’m finding it actually difficult to believe that you’re even 23; the sort of attitude expressed above is very similar to the one carried around by the average 15-year-old, like “Wahhh, I’m tired of the grownups always tellin’ me what to do, man!”
If you’re at work, do you have a problem “censoring” your language? If not, why is it appropriate for you to do so at work, but not around children?
Sorry, but the rationalizations you’re bringing to this discussion make absolutely no sense. “I hate a class of people numbering in the hundreds of millions, but I’m not a bigot 'cause I support gay marriage”… “It’s offensive to me to have to censor myself because I’m around kids, but it’s OK if I do it around adults”
Huh? You can have a “negative reaction” all you want. You can “secretly wish” the kid would shut up. Who doesn’t? No one is asking you not to do that. There’s a big difference between getting annoyed and having some secret wish, and saying that you hate all children (but of course are not bigot), and calling them them pooped out hellspawn heathens (but then disingenuously claiming NEVER to have insulted or belittled them). When you loudly proclaim such views in mixed company, people are going to give you reams of shit about it. This is the BBQ Pit, not Oprah, hon. Exactly.
One does SO fucking tire of hearing insults about being a teacher anytime it comes up here on the Straight Dope in a debate. It’s a very easy shot to take and many jerkoffs have taken it. “Oh, you’re a teacher? No WONDER the schools suck.” Anyone who says that shit to me gets both barrels. People who bitch about everything in society while claiming no means of self-support should be doubly wary of attacking my career, because they have no leg to stand on, especially when there’s plenty of reason to think they’re lying anyway.
I have no idea if curlcoat is truly disabled or not, and I won’t speculate. However, if she is, it is relevant to one of her reasons that she is so against children. See, her distaste for them is only partially related to the fact that she thinks they make a lot of noise. What she really doesn’t like, and has complained about many times here, is that society is too focused on them, and her tax dollars are spent too much on them. Which may or may not be the case, I guess it’s a matter of opinion, but it’s kind of…ironic, I guess you would say, considering that she is apparently also in the position of asking society to help take care of her.
You’re not much more than a kid yourself. You’ll develop patience and tolerance as you age.
Then I’m afraid you’re headed for a very sad and limited life. If you can’t alter your mannerisms or language to be appropriate to the situation, you’re useless. You wouldn’t be good at any job that involves interaction with other people (which means almost all jobs) because that requires altering your language and mannerisms. You won’t be able to act appropriately in social situations with adults, let alone children, if you can’t act appropriately to a situation.
I was going to say “gosh, it’s too bad the world can’t alter itself so you can act and talk any way you like” but I deleted that because it’s NOT too bad. You have to adjust your mannerisms and language to suit the situation and the people present, because that’s what adults do. You can’t speak and act in front of your boss or customers the way you do in front of your best friend. You can’t treat your significant other the way you do anyone else in the world, unless you want a pretty shitty relationship. You don’t dress for a date the way you dress to slouch around the house. Welcome to the real world, kid. Something you’ll learn is that the world does not revolve around you, and because YOU are outnumbered by the rest of the human race, you’re the one who has to do almost all the altering. Shit, that’s the whole point of raising well behaved children.
It’s ironic that you don’t like kids and yet you seem to have a lot of growing up to do.
That seems to be the grand irony. It seems like people who really hate children are emotionally retarded in some way that makes them a lot like children. They haven’t gotten over the childish jealousy of competing for attention with little ones.
I am annoyed at the disproportionate amount of resources we give to the disabled. Why should they get the best parking spaces just because they are disabled? Especially considering that those spots are largely unused because there are not as many handicapped people at Wal Mart as there are spaces by proportion. Then we are required to make our businesses wheelchair accessible. We pay lots of money to social security for the disabled who are not contributing their fair share. I mean you are only supposed to be able to withdraw what you put in! Those disabled people are taking advantage of the rest of us via their taxes!
I can totally see being upset about the constant digs on your job, especially when it’s a job that (IMO) is overworked, underpaid, and difficult. Still, giving it with both barrels doesn’t have to include demeaning disabled people. I realize you were specifically going at curlcoat, but the bite to your insult is that disabled people aren’t productive members of society.
According to many here disliking children makes me a bigot yet so many people here don’t seem to mind saying insulting things about the disabled. I don’t mean making fun of curlcoat, but saying things about disabled people being non productive or insinuating that one can’t drive if they are disabled or any number of things that have been said here. It shows that when pushed even a tiny bit, some have no problem slinging bigoted statements around to disparage a group of people.
Except in post #1082 it seems (to me) that she is saying she’s not on SSI. Bolding is mine below:
It sounds like she worked for many years and now she doesn’t because she’s too disabled to do the works she once performed. Not all disabled people are on government assistance. Regardless, it’s interesting to me how it’s ok for bigoted remarks to be part even a heated discussion even here in The Pit.
I agreed with all your previous posts, but I do not go along with this. IMO society needs to protect people who need protection (kids), and more than that, help people who need help (the disabled). Reserving parking space in front of an entrance is the least of the things we should grant the disabled. It does not cost anything, we can get some exercise walking a couple of meters.
Contributing financially such that they can live in a decent way and don’t need to suffer more than necessary for something they did not choose is decency. Subsiding businesses who employ disabled people, subsiding the purchase of expensive equipment, making buildings and infrastructure accessible, that is decency.
Society will continue to go this way. The tendency is to integrate disabled children in normal classes with not disabled children.
we’re allowed to have negative reactions to annoying people, whether young or old., and I don’t think it makes me a witch to secretly wish that the kid would just shut up and spare my eardrums. I get equally annoyed by loud, obnoxious adults in public, if that makes you feel any better.