People who hate children

[Rubystreak]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

I can totally see being upset about the constant digs on your job, especially when it’s a job that (IMO) is overworked, underpaid, and difficult. Still, giving it with both barrels doesn’t have to include demeaning disabled people. I realize you were specifically going at curlcoat, but the bite to your insult is that disabled people aren’t productive members of society.

I’m demeaning curlcoat specifically, not disabled people in general. Please don’t generalize my negative feelings about an individual to a whole group. That’s something that curlcoat does, not something that I do. I’m not 100% convinced she’s disabled. In fact, I’m not actually sure she isn’t a gigantic troll jerking all of our chains. But if she is what she claims to be, the fact is, she’s not contributing to a society she feels very free to slag off on at every possible opportunity, while admittedly contributing nothing. Plenty of disabled people don’t have such a fucked up, shitty attitude, nor do they mock people who do work about how they do their work. Also, sometime, read her comments about black people. She’s bigoted about a hell of a lot more than just children. Your defense of her is misplaced, SWB. She’s not worthy of your formidable support.

[Rubystreak]

@flonks

i agreed with all your previous posts, but i do not go along with this. Imo society needs to protect people who need protection (kids), and more than that, help people who need help (the disabled). Reserving parking space in front of an entrance is the least of the things we should grant the disabled. It does not cost anything, we can get some exercise walking a couple of meters.

Contributing financially such that they can live in a decent way and don’t need to suffer more than necessary for something they did not choose is decency. Subsiding businesses who employ disabled people, subsiding the purchase of expensive equipment, making buildings and infrastructure accessible, that is decency.

Society will continue to go this way. The tendency is to integrate disabled children in normal classes with not disabled children.

whoosh.

[Sarahfeena]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

Except in post #1082 it seems (to me) that she is saying she’s not on SSI. Bolding is mine below:

It sounds like she worked for many years and now she doesn’t because she’s too disabled to do the works she once performed. Not all disabled people are on government assistance. Regardless, it’s interesting to me how it’s ok for bigoted remarks to be part even a heated discussion even here in The Pit.

True, she has said in the past that she doesn’t take taxpayer assistance, because disability is not funded by taxpayer money, but rather is insurance that workers pay into. Which dices it a little fine…she puts SSI in the same category, but who doesn’t think that SSI is a tax? Some people are paid out disability, and all the other workers pay into the fund, whether or not they ever use it themselves. I just think it’s odd that someone who is helped by these kinds of government-run programs are so disparaging of other government-run programs that happen to help a class of people she doesn’t care for, that’s all.

[flonks]

@Rubystreak

whoosh.

???

[Sarahfeena]

I should elaborate on my last post. One of curlcoat’s big issues with children, and one of the reasons she considers herself part of the “childfree” movement, is because she resents having to pay for the public schools, since she has never had children to use them, and essentially is paying into a program to support other people’s children. At the same time, she is on disability, which many, many people have to pay into despite the fact that they will never collect it. Therefore, their money is paying into a program to support her, in much a similar fashion. You can try to nitpick whether or not you want to call it a “tax,” but the bottom line is that it’s all about being a member of society where we try to take care of each other.

[Lynn_Bodoni]

@mswas

I am annoyed at the disproportionate amount of resources we give to the disabled. Why should they get the best parking spaces just because they are disabled? Especially considering that those spots are largely unused because there are not as many handicapped people at Wal Mart as there are spaces by proportion. Then we are required to make our businesses wheelchair accessible. We pay lots of money to social security for the disabled who are not contributing their fair share. I mean you are only supposed to be able to withdraw what you put in! Those disabled people are taking advantage of the rest of us via their taxes!

I know that this is parody, but I’m going to respond to it seriously. I have a handicap placard and license plate, and my doctor recently congratulated me because I have turned down his offer of prescribing an electric wheelchair for me, so I am perhaps more familiar than most posters about these issues.

I frequently find that the handicap parking spaces are full (don’t know what it’s like at WalMart, as I shop there perhaps once every couple of years), and sometimes, if the available parking spaces are too far away, I just go somewhere else, depending on whether I feel that I can walk that far or not.

Some people who qualify for these spaces are able to work and volunteer because they can get out and go places, where they wouldn’t be able to work if they didn’t have the spaces and bigger restroom stalls available to them.

The curb cuts and ramps don’t just make it possible for people in wheelchairs to get around. They’re good for people with other mobility problems, too. This includes people pushing strollers around. When my daughter was a baby, I used those curb cuts and ramps instead of bumping the stroller over a curb. This makes for a happier parent…and a happier baby. A happier baby is less likely to fuss and scream, therefore making the whole area happier.

Even if I had never had any children, I would support my tax dollars going for education. Not because I have any sentimentality towards children in general (pause for Big Laffs), but because it’s one way of turning children into productive members of society. Yeah, there are problems with our education system, but there are problems with any business or organization. Mostly, I think that educators are good people who are trying to do their best with what they’ve got to work with, with some notable exceptions.

I still contend that children are naturally little heathens, not in the religious sense, but in the sense that they don’t act civilized. And I think it’s the parents’ or guardians’ job to teach them better. I don’t think that I have previously referred to children as heathens in this thread, but, you know, the shoe fits. Children are certainly not little angels, who will naturally act perfectly without any input from the parents.

[flonks]

@Lynn_Bodoni

I know that this is parody

Ouuuuuuuuuups :smack:

[starwarsfreek42]

@Jettboy

That explains a lot right there, You ARE a child, and you hate your peers. So you’re not a bigot—thank God,—you’re just a garden variety sociopath. 23…hell, I have t-shirts older than that, Sugar. Still, it is refreshing to discover that you’re not a twisted, bitter, insane old harpy like your fellow Child Haters Club sister(?) curlcoat; you’re just incredibly, stunningly, completely immature. Maybe some day when you grow up we could have a real conversation.

You’ve’ gotta be shitting me…you honestly expect to walk through life doing and saying whatever you please whenever you want?! I’m finding it actually difficult to believe that you’re even 23; the sort of attitude expressed above is very similar to the one carried around by the average 15-year-old, like “Wahhh, I’m tired of the grownups always tellin’ me what to do, man!”

So, 23 year olds are children? At what point to people become adults? Is there some sort of initiation rite nobody informed me of?

Actually, if you’d read carefully and not take every statement I make to the farthest extreme you possibly can… no. But I’m not going to have a conversation with anybody about what they learned in 3rd grade science class, or what Dora did this week.

[starwarsfreek42]

@JohnT

If you’re at work, do you have a problem “censoring” your language? If not, why is it appropriate for you to do so at work, but not around children?

I don’t have a need to nor am I expected to censor my language at work, because I’m surrounded by adults. If I used vulgar language regularly or spent all my time spouting stuff about anal sex, they would probably ask me to tone it down. Since I don’t, it’s not a problem. And if somebody slips and occasionally says “damn!”… well, nobody cares.

If I were to tell a 10 year old the reasons I don’t believe in God, the parents would probably get upset. I got dirty looks from a parent once in a store because I told a friend that Hanna Montana sucked, and the kid overheard me. Hey lady, if you don’t want your kid exposed to other people’s opinions, don’t bring them out in public.

[curlcoat]

@Rubystreak

You said your bias was irrelevant. I say that mine is. See how that works?
I will, after you prove that yours is.

If you want an answer to these, you will need to provide more of the background since I’m not interested enough to dig back thru all these posts.

I think I’ve amply proven that I don’t think children are always angels. Now it’s your turn to prove that you don’t think children are always devils.

Would be kind of hard for me to do since I never said that children are always devils.

Very nice. And you wonder why I say you’re acting like an asshole in this thread.

No, I have never wondered that. I am quite used to those who love children attacking the messenger rather than even looking at the message.

snip a bunch of stuff that has been addressed over and over and over…

I’m not having an emotional issue. I’m simply disagreeing with you. You’re the one filled with an emotion-- hate. I feel no emotion towards you or your argument whatsoever, since amusement tinged with disgust is not an emotion.

Uh, OK. Then you continuing to hammer on this stuff is because, what? You are bored? The over the top stuff is just windowdressing?

I will, but you’re not going to like it, since it’s not hateful: an upset, crying child. You don’t know her, you don’t know why she’s crying, and calling her pooped out hellspawn just makes your spitefully little heart feel all happy, but it’s not actually very descriptive.

Like this. I didn’t call that child a pooped out hellspawn - if I remember correctly the worst I said about that one was “brat”. Now, how you get “makes my spitefully little heart feel all happy” from that I don’t know, but your description isn’t very, uh, descriptive. An upset, crying child could be anything from a toddler starting to get tired to a full blown all stops out tantrum.

It’s just your judgment, not an accurate description of a stranger, whose motivations you are unaware of.

Why am I supposed to care what the motivations are? In this case, the little girl was standing in the parking lot screaming mad at, I guess it is, her mother. I don’t care why she is mad or why the mother isn’t doing anything at all about it, I just want it to stop.

Go ahead, insult my job and how I do it.

I think I already did.

Well, at least I am a productive member of society, I contribute and don’t just take and bitch.

Who do you think “just takes and bitches”? Not me for sure. If nothing else, you appear to be doing all the bitching here…

A distinction without a difference from someone who can’t even own up to her own words, and is both a moral coward and a generic brand one. I’m so glad you never reproduced.

And you were insulted by my opinion of you as a teacher… :rolleyes:

[curlcoat]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

It just amazes me that there are people in this thread who are practically breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back for being the champion of kids everywhere while they take swipes at people who simply don’t like kids. I’m not talking about the reactions to people who are (it seems to me) being over-the-top with their hatred, I’m talking about people who just prefer not to be around children. Why would you care about another person’s preference regarding children as long as they aren’t treating any child poorly?

Because they are bigots!

Actually, I don’t know why, but this is a very common response to anyone that says they don’t like children. Over the top extreme-ism, attacks, insults and really amazing assumptions.

For some reason, particularly since I’m female, I am required to love all children, and since I don’t and actively avoid them apparently I Must Be Eliminated (you’d think by the way people react). I am also not allowed to use descriptive terms that are not on some secret list of Words To Be Used to Describe Children.

Meanwhile, they still rule the world and force themselves into my life almost daily. I guess the problem is I am not smiling and cooing while tripping over their SUV strollers. Be gone infidel!

[curlcoat]

@keturah

I don’t believe that she is disabled. She may be receiving disability benefits, but she is certainly able to process insurance claims if she is able to construct the posts here. In her own words it was mostly “keypunching”.

Snort. Haven’t noticed that I am “keypunching” in here for eight hours, five days a week. (Before you say it, no, there is almost zero part time work) And no, I’m not getting any disability since that ran out last fall. I’m still waiting on SSDI but the federal government’s wheels grind slowly.

She is lying about something. I believe she hates kids. I do not believe, based on her posts that she is unable to hold a job, unless her disability is mental.

Now you are an expert on disabilities?

Do you disbelieve everyone with a blue parking card or just the ones that don’t like kids?

[curlcoat]

@keturah

In my experience the flight attendents are not nearly as old or as disabled as curlcoat claims to be. It is my experience. Surely you would not claim that my experiences are not valid.

Did you miss it the first time? I’m not and have never been a flight attendent.

[curlcoat]

@Rubystreak

One does SO fucking tire of hearing insults about being a teacher anytime it comes up here on the Straight Dope in a debate. It’s a very easy shot to take and many jerkoffs have taken it. “Oh, you’re a teacher? No WONDER the schools suck.”

Heh, little too close to home, eh? You do know that you are being judged by the quality of your work, don’t you?

Anyone who says that shit to me gets both barrels. People who bitch about everything in society while claiming no means of self-support should be doubly wary of attacking my career, because they have no leg to stand on, especially when there’s plenty of reason to think they’re lying anyway.

Let’s count the unreasonable exaggerations here - from someone who just claimed to not be emotional about this:

1. I highly doubt that anyone bitches about everything in society, but if nothing else it hasn’t happened in this thread.

2. Who has no means of self-support? Are there, er, kids in here living with their parents?

3. I wasn’t attacking your career, I was making an observation about your abilities as a teacher. I happen to think that good teachers are great.

4. As for lying, OK, lets play that game. Based on your posts here, I think you are lying about being a teacher. Of course, there is no way to prove it either way and it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but since you want to play that way…

[curlcoat]

@Sarahfeena

I guess it’s a matter of opinion, but it’s kind of…ironic, I guess you would say, considering that she is apparently also in the position of asking society to help take care of her.

How is that?

[curlcoat]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

Not all disabled people are on government assistance. .

Wait - is that the belief these folks have? Huh. Most of the disabled folks I know are not on government assistance - I can only think of one off the top of my head.

[Sarahfeena]

@curlcoat

How is that?

You were on disability, and now you’re waiting for SSI, as per your post above.

[curlcoat]

@Rubystreak

But if she is what she claims to be, the fact is, she’s not contributing to a society she feels very free to slag off on at every possible opportunity, while admittedly contributing nothing. Plenty of disabled people don’t have such a fucked up, shitty attitude, nor do they mock people who do work about how they do their work. Also, sometime, read her comments about black people. She’s bigoted about a hell of a lot more than just children. Your defense of her is misplaced, SWB. She’s not worthy of your formidable support.

Wow. You really are a piece of work, aren’t you? Simply because I am disabled and now not earning a paycheck, that automatically means that I contribute nothing? Do you feel the same way about retired people?

Because I don’t love children, I have a fucked up, shitty attitude? Huh.

And you think I’m a bigot…

[curlcoat]

@Sarahfeena

True, she has said in the past that she doesn’t take taxpayer assistance, because disability is not funded by taxpayer money, but rather is insurance that workers pay into. Which dices it a little fine…she puts SSI in the same category, but who doesn’t think that SSI is a tax?

No, I didn’t put SSI into any category since I said I don’t know anything about it. Which was in the quote that Sleeps With Butterflies provided you.

I just think it’s odd that someone who is helped by these kinds of government-run programs are so disparaging of other government-run programs that happen to help a class of people she doesn’t care for, that’s all.

One - what government run programs am I being helped by?

Two - BIG difference between using taxpayer money to help out those who did work and now cannot, and using it to support a lifestyle choice.

[Sarahfeena]

@curlcoat

No, I didn’t put SSI into any category since I said I don’t know anything about it. Which was in the quote that Sleeps With Butterflies provided you.

One - what government run programs am I being helped by?

SSDI, apparently, as soon as you can.

Two - BIG difference between using taxpayer money to help out those who did work and now cannot, and using it to support a lifestyle choice.

That’s just a justification for your hypocrisy. Children are the ones helped by the public school system, and they haven’t chosen any lifestyle.