People who hate children

[mswas]

@curlcoat

Eh, splitting hairs. The point is that parents get money that those without children do not.

It’s not splitting hairs at all. They don’t GET more money than those without children. It’s just not true. The child is a citizen just like you are, and as such the support of that child is viewed as a social good by society, therefore they don’t pay as much in taxes because they are paying for a different social good.

Your problem is you still don’t view children as real people.

Paid it back long ago.

If you are disabled at this point in your life, then if you live a long life you will take more from the system than you ever paid in. You will receive far more than the average person in government subsidization.

[mswas]

@curlcoat

No honey, you are the ungrateful bitch. You suck up all this free money and services simply because you have reproduced and then have the gall to get nasty when those you are feeding on try to say “ENOUGH”. Your kids don’t need to stay free or eat free or have playgrounds in every neighborhood, but that doesn’t stop you all from demanding these things, does it? Maybe if parents could be bothered to be responsible, we wouldn’t have to keep funding after school programs (i.e. after school babysitting), and my city wouldn’t have to have a anti-graffitti task force. You should really look into the number of child-centered things taxes and higher prices fund.

Actually I suck up fewer government resources than you do by a pretty wide margin. We pay for my daughter’s babysitters and her daycare. There is no government funding involved. As for the playgrounds you begrudge, they are parts of public parks that are available to you as well. Are you against having public parks for adults to use also?

[mswas]

@curlcoat

Huh. You won’t send your kid to a public school, but you don’t see any problem with us wasting all this money on it?

No because I don’t hate the vast majority of citizens like you do. I want people to have opportunities. I view children as people, unlike you.

[mswas]

@curlcoat

HA! There are people here who tell me I’m not disabled. They begrudge.

Oh so what you are saying is that you actually are just trying to scam SSDI?

No, and perhaps if you weren’t so narrowly focused you would actually understand what I write. I resent paying for our essentially useless public schools, I resent that you all think it’s ok to keep having kids under the guise that we will need more workers in the future and expect me to pay for that delusion, and I resent that I had to work far past the time I should have retired in order to pay taxes to support your lifestyle choice. I also resent that Octomom is recieving SSDI for two of her kids, which she should never had been allowed to have, when us old useless folks have to hire lawyers to just get the fed to listen to us about it.

Public schools are not useless. We do need more workers in the future, it’s not a delusion. Do you have even the slightest clue how SS is organized? Us workers who were children a couple of decades ago, are now paying for the SS you take out of the system, just as you paid the SS my Grandparents took out from.

[mswas]

**curlcoat **is definitely disabled, but I think it’s Limbic.

[Jettboy]

@mswas

Your problem is you still don’t view children as real people.

And that, in a nutshell, is the root of the problem; not just with Crazy Dog Lady, but with Obnoxious 23-Year-Old Doofus, and Bitchy Failed Economics/Civics Professor.

All of three of them (and a few others who haven’t posted in sufficent quantity to keep attracting attention) see children not as people—not as adults in training— but as some sort of expensive, care intensive exotic pet.

I hold out some small hope for Starwarsfreek42; she’s just a kid herself, and, as I recall, at 23 I can remember not being too interested in children myself. I didn’t “hate them with a fiery, burning passion that consumes my soul” as she claims to, but they made me a little uncomfortable and I had no interest in having any. I grew up, and I have some hope that someday she’ll undergo the same sort of metamorphosis into a real person.

As for the other two…ehhhh. You can only pound your head against a brick wall for so long before you realize, “OW! That hurts! Maybe I should stop doing it…” These two damaged souls have no hope of ever being fixed (assuming someone could obtain the parts from the 7th Circle of Hell).

In 15 years my beautiful, brilliant, bright-blue-eyed boy will be a grown man. If his mom and I have done our job properly, he’ll be a caring, compassionate soul with a social and spiritual connection to his fellow human beings. He’ll have a strong work ethic and impeccable manners. He’ll do amazing things in his all-too-short life, and I smile in thinking that I’ll be remembered as the father of this wonderful person. I don’t care if history remembers me; my boy will, and his children will, and their children…there will be a chain of love and of family that stretches beyond my life as surely as it stretched beyond the life of my dad, and his dad, and his dad and some old Irishman who died 500 years ago.

In those same 15 years, curlcoat and the other hate-filled old cow will quite possibly slip away into the infinate. No one will mourn them and no one will remember them. Once that brackish gene pool has been drained, it’ll be filled in and covered up. And that’s a good goddamn thing.

[Bridget_Burke]

@Jettboy

And that, in a nutshell, is the root of the problem; not just with Crazy Dog Lady, but with Obnoxious 23-Year-Old Doofus, and Bitchy Failed Economics/Civics Professor.

All of three of them (and a few others who haven’t posted in sufficent quantity to keep attracting attention) see children not as people—not as adults in training— but as some sort of expensive, care intensive exotic pet.

I hold out some small hope for Starwarsfreek42; she’s just a kid herself, and, as I recall, at 23 I can remember not being too interested in children myself. I didn’t “hate them with a fiery, burning passion that consumes my soul” as she claims to, but they made me a little uncomfortable and I had no interest in having any. I grew up, and I have some hope that someday she’ll undergo the same sort of metamorphosis into a real person.

As for the other two…ehhhh. You can only pound your head against a brick wall for so long before you realize, “OW! That hurts! Maybe I should stop doing it…” These two damaged souls have no hope of ever being fixed (assuming someone could obtain the parts from the 7th Circle of Hell).

In 15 years my beautiful, brilliant, bright-blue-eyed boy will be a grown man. If his mom and I have done our job properly, he’ll be a caring, compassionate soul with a social and spiritual connection to his fellow human beings. He’ll have a strong work ethic and impeccable manners. He’ll do amazing things in his all-too-short life, and I smile in thinking that I’ll be remembered as the father of this wonderful person. I don’t care if history remembers me; my boy will, and his children will, and their children…there will be a chain of love and of family that stretches beyond my life as surely as it stretched beyond the life of my dad, and his dad, and his dad and some old Irishman who died 500 years ago.

In those same 15 years, curlcoat and the other hate-filled old cow will quite possibly slip away into the infinate. No one will mourn them and no one will remember them. Once that brackish gene pool has been drained, it’ll be filled in and covered up. And that’s a good goddamn thing.

I’ve been here fighting curlcoat & the other one for quite a while. They repel me.

But, since I’m childless–for various reasons–do you regard my life as a waste? Do you, too, divide society into the child-havers & the child-haters?

[Birdmonster]

@Bridget_Burke

I’ve been here fighting curlcoat & the other one for quite a while. They repel me.

But, since I’m childless–for various reasons–do you regard my life as a waste? Do you, too, divide society into the child-havers & the child-haters?

Hopefully not. I think most people in this thread have no problem with those who choose, for a variety of valid reasons, not to have children. Perhaps career is more important or the idea never appealed to them or they simply never had the right opportunity or any number of totally acceptible, decent reasons. What sets curlcoat and her ilk apart is the aggressive hatred for children and their “do nothing” parents; they rail against the simple idea of continuing the human race. It’s preposterous and frightening.

It’s a question of basic humanity. You don’t have to have kids or want them but actively despising them is a sign of a deeply troubled individual.

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

@Jettboy

In 15 years my beautiful, brilliant, bright-blue-eyed boy will be a grown man. If his mom and I have done our job properly, he’ll be a caring, compassionate soul with a social and spiritual connection to his fellow human beings. He’ll have a strong work ethic and impeccable manners. He’ll do amazing things in his all-too-short life, and I smile in thinking that I’ll be remembered as the father of this wonderful person. I don’t care if history remembers me; my boy will, and his children will, and their children…there will be a chain of love and of family that stretches beyond my life as surely as it stretched beyond the life of my dad, and his dad, and his dad and some old Irishman who died 500 years ago.

In those same 15 years, curlcoat and the other hate-filled old cow will quite possibly slip away into the infinate. No one will mourn them and no one will remember them. Once that brackish gene pool has been drained, it’ll be filled in and covered up. And that’s a good goddamn thing.

Please dial back on the dramatics, how’sabout it?

No one will mourn them! No one will remember them! Ohhhhhh lawwwws, only children can mourn and remember people! Keee-rist, do you believe that? Seriously?

I find it a little hard to believe that you’re teaching this wonderful, brilliant, bright-blue-eyed-boy to be compassionate. You have a fairly narrow view of what other people ought to believe and feel, so I can’t imagine you’re capable of teaching tolerance and compassion. I hope your perfect angel has someone else helping with that particular lesson.

[Jettboy]

@Bridget_Burke

But, since I’m childless–for various reasons–do you regard my life as a waste? Do you, too, divide society into the child-havers & the child-haters?

Not a bit.

I divide society into accepting and tolerant people versus hate-filled shitheads. If you choose not to have kids, great; good for you. I’m sure you have your reasons. If you choose to hate kids ‘with a fiery, burning passion that consumes your soul’, then…yeah, I’ve got a problem with you. The same goes if you hate blacks, or Puerto Ricans, or Jews, or…

[Sarahfeena]

@curlcoat

No, but what you all don’t seem to be able to grasp is that I am a people too, but my choices are taxed, heavily restricted and unfunded. Over the decades, my lifestyle choice has become harder and more expensive to maintain, where the lifestyle choice of parents has been made easier and (comparatively) cheaper. There are large organizations dedicated to trying to eliminate companion animals altogether.

Owning dogs isn’t a lifestyle choice, it’s a hobby. I have hobbies, too, which are not subsidized by the government any more than your dog hobby is. The reason your comparison is faulty is because dogs are not people, and children are. One of the reasons that your railing against all of us is falling on deaf ears is because I’m sure the vast majority of the people posting here HAVE been completely responsible for their own children, other than perhaps sending them to the public schools (which you also took advantage of as a child, just like most people). All the other examples you give…children being allowed in restaurants, parks, etc. is due to the fact that they are PEOPLE. They are not given any more consideration in terms of where they are legally allowed to go than you are. If restaurants allow them to come and disrupt your meal, that is on the restaurant to deal with. If children disturb you in the park, well, let’s just say that not all dog owners are terribly considerate when it come to how their dogs behave, either (my 4-year-old is scared of dogs because a large, unleashed dog jumped on her in a public park).

And as far as organizations that want to eliminate companion animals, I assume you are talking about groups like PETA? They are nutty, of course, but they have just as much of a right to voice their opinions on the matter as you do…it’s not like they’re gaining much traction in that area.

Yes, children are people but why is it that every year I am being forced to fund other peoples’ choice to have those children? Why do you and this vast majority someone else was talking about keep encouraging people to have kids they cannot afford? Whatever happened to parental responsibility?

Why do you keep saying that we are encouraging people to have kids they cannot afford? I would never do that…I think it’s ridiculous. That doesn’t translate into eliminating the public school system, though. Most parents COULD afford to pay for their kids to go to private schools if they had to. The point of public schools is ensure that children get educations so that they don’t end up on the dole. Some of them will anyway, but not nearly as many as there would be if there was no educational system. And don’t rail on me about the ineffectiveness of the public schools. I think there needs to be a massive overhaul, and I’m in favor of vouchers. But eliminate the public schools? I can’t imagine you would be happy with the results of that.

You all want to have children? Fine. All I ask is you quit expecting me to help raise them. You choose, you be responsible.

No problem. The more I talk to you, the less I would want you anywhere near my children.

[Jettboy]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

Please dial back on the dramatics, how’sabout it?

No one will mourn them! No one will remember them! Ohhhhhh lawwwws, only children can mourn and remember people! Keee-rist, do you believe that? Seriously?

I find it a little hard to believe that you’re teaching this wonderful, brilliant, bright-blue-eyed-boy to be compassionate. You have a fairly narrow view of what other people ought to believe and feel, so I can’t imagine you’re capable of teaching tolerance and compassion. I hope your perfect angel has someone else helping with that particular lesson.

If you don’t agree with my view on curlcoat, Carol Stream, or to a lesser extent, StarWarsFreek42, absolutely fine with me; I’m not trying to convert anyone, least of all you. Don’t like the dramatics? You have the choice of not reading it. My personal opinion of the two of them is…what’s a good description? OK; if Shit stepped in Curlcoat or Carol Stream, Shit would scrape them off it’s shoes.

These two are, based on what they’ve written, awful, contemptible excuses for human beings. Read some of the garbage they’ve written; do you really think their passing will be mourned by anyone? Really? These sound like people with huge circles of friends, family and well-wishers to you?

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

@Jettboy

If you don’t agree with my view on curlcoat, Carol Stream, or to a lesser extent, StarWarsFreek42, absolutely fine with me; I’m not trying to convert anyone, least of all you. Don’t like the dramatics? You have the choice of not reading it. My personal opinion of the two of them is…what’s a good description? OK; if Shit stepped in Curlcoat or Carol Stream, Shit would scrape them off it’s shoes.

These two are, based on what they’ve written, awful, contemptible excuses for human beings. Read some of the garbage they’ve written; do you really think their passing will be mourned by anyone? Really? These sound like people with huge circles of friends, family and well-wishers to you?

I think that people go too far with things online and say things they wouldn’t normally say. I know a lot of people here who have been fighting with them think they are certainly above them, but their own prejudices and horrific statements about disabled people is just as bad as anything curlcoat has said.

I believe there are probably few people in the world who have NO ONE who loves them. You’re very quick to write off anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your idea of how other people should feel, should I assume that you’re an arrogant blowhard with no one who loves him? Maybe you feel comfortable doing that, but I think it’s pretty ridiculous. Then again, you seem quite content in only seeing as far as the end of your own nose and I’m not here to change anybody’s mind, least of all you.

[mswas]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

No one will mourn them! No one will remember them! Ohhhhhh lawwwws, only children can mourn and remember people! Keee-rist, do you believe that? Seriously?

Yes actually, it is empirical fact that only children can mourn and remember people. Anyone who dies before you will not in fact be around to mourn and remember you. So if everyone who you know is your own age or older, then you will die alone and forgotten. It’s pretty simple.

But even so, even old people were someone’s children. Some selfish swine gave birth to **curlcoat **and burdened the public welfare for their cruel decision.

So considering that every person ever born was once a child, I can safely say, as I can say of few other things, with 100% certainty that yes, only someone’s children will be around to remember you.

[mswas]

@Jettboy

Not a bit.

I divide society into accepting and tolerant people versus hate-filled shitheads. If you choose not to have kids, great; good for you. I’m sure you have your reasons. If you choose to hate kids ‘with a fiery, burning passion that consumes your soul’, then…yeah, I’ve got a problem with you. The same goes if you hate blacks, or Puerto Ricans, or Jews, or…

Hating children is worse than racism.

[Trepa_Mayfield]

Whoa.

This is the second largest Pit thread ever–the only one bigger is here: Lying whore. - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board.

[Malthus]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

No one will mourn them! No one will remember them! Ohhhhhh lawwwws, only children can mourn and remember people! Keee-rist, do you believe that? Seriously?

Purely a matter of relative ages. Most people’s spouses and circles of friends are roughly the same age as them. Assuming a normal spread of lifespans, the average person is likely to die at around the same time as most people they personally know - unless of course they have kids, grandkids, etc. If they are survived by spouses and friends, they will certainly be remembered and mourned by them - but not, alas, for long, as they too are likely to pass away relatively soon.

Other than other people’s children - a childless person could easily be remembered and mourned by an niece or nephew, or by the kids of their friends etc.

Of course, it may well be the case that one does not care much about being remembered or mourned - that’s a personal preference issue; I could easily see taking the position that dead is dead, and the dead don’t care. However, if you happen to feel otherwise, it is certainly and obviously the case that having children is on its face better than not having children.

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

@mswas

Yes actually, it is empirical fact that only children can mourn and remember people. Anyone who dies before you will not in fact be around to mourn and remember you. So if everyone who you know is your own age or older, then you will die alone and forgotten. It’s pretty simple.

But even so, even old people were someone’s children. Some selfish swine gave birth to **curlcoat **and burdened the public welfare for their cruel decision.

So considering that every person ever born was once a child, I can safely say, as I can say of few other things, with 100% certainty that yes, only someone’s children will be around to remember you.

YaY you win The Most Willfully Obtuse Jackass of the Day Award! Good for you. Keep on keeping on. Don’t you have someone to push onto a subway train somewhere? You know, someone’s child.

@Malthus

Purely a matter of relative ages. Most people’s spouses and circles of friends are roughly the same age as them. Assuming a normal spread of lifespans, the average person is likely to die at around the same time as most people they personally know - unless of course they have kids, grandkids, etc. If they are survived by spouses and friends, they will certainly be remembered and mourned by them - but not, alas, for long, as they too are likely to pass away relatively soon.

Other than other people’s children - a childless person could easily be remembered and mourned by an niece or nephew, or by the kids of their friends etc.

Of course, it may well be the case that one does not care much about being remembered or mourned - that’s a personal preference issue; I could easily see taking the position that dead is dead, and the dead don’t care. However, if you happen to feel otherwise, it is certainly and obviously the case that having children is on its face better than not having children.

That’s nice.

[Malthus]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

That’s nice.

It is, actually.

[Bridget_Burke]

@Jettboy

Not a bit.

I divide society into accepting and tolerant people versus hate-filled shitheads. If you choose not to have kids, great; good for you. I’m sure you have your reasons. If you choose to hate kids ‘with a fiery, burning passion that consumes your soul’, then…yeah, I’ve got a problem with you. The same goes if you hate blacks, or Puerto Ricans, or Jews, or…

Please review my many posts on this thread to see if I measure up to your standards. I think that curlcoat, *et al. *are wrong because it is good for society to see that children are cared for; the attitudes of these child-haters are quite grotesque. The elderly & truly disabled are also our responsibility. All of us were children, most of us will become elderly & some will become disabled.

My reasons for not having children are no more your business than your reasons for having them are mine.