Do you really think those two things are the same thing?
Why? How is it different from despising any other group of humans?
Come on Child haters! You can beat Lying Whores!
Do you always post drunk early in the morning? 6:22 am this time. Why did you quote my post, but respond to Curlcoat?
You don’t even know what you’re saying, do you?
And bite me, bitch.
So those of us who don’t want to have children aren’t really grown up? We’re not “real persons?” :rolleyes: And I don’t count myself as a child hater, I just don’t have any interest in being a parent.
Of course I pay taxes, although I rather doubt that you do.
Darn, I didn’t get a single post in on the last page! I’m slackin’ here.
Every single intelligent adult in the world who’s been 23, and has at least reached the age of 35.
One thing you’ll grow out of - smart people do, anyway - is irrational dislike for groups of people. You may never want to have kids of your own and that’s fine; it’s a significant lifestyle decision and choosing not to have kids is totally cool. But, when you grow up a little more, you will become more charitable, tolerant and kind towards your fellow human beings, and you’ll get over this “I refuse to acknowledge children or even introduce myself to them” nonsense. You’ll get over the whole “I shouldn’t have to modify my behaviour for anyone else” thing, too.
Oh, I know, I know, you don’t believe me. How silly,' you're thinking, that this Rick-J character doesn’t realize I’ve got it figured out at 23.’ Why, you’re not just an adult, you’re five years past it! That’s cool; trust me, I very much understand. You’re at the age to be extreme in your opinions. We all thought we had all the answers at 23. It’s a natural part of being a person, just like childhood, and decent, mature adults are generally patient of it, as they are with children’s excesses. You’ll grow out of it, assuming you’re at least of average intelligence, which you seem to probably be.
Nah, he will still be a perfect angel because horrid folks like me don’t deserve tolerance and compassion! People like me couldn’t possibly have family and friends to love and who love me, who would mourn my loss, so where is the harm in teaching that perfect child to act the way his father does? After all, it’s what a “vast majority of society” does, right?
Snicker.
Quoted [del]for truth[/del] because I’m being a douche just to keep this long trainwreck up.
Or you could look at it another way, we were hoping that you live a long and fruitful life where you would have to have people around who are children now to remember you.
If you live to be 100, who will remember you other than people who are children now?
You made the following claim, now back it up, or STFU.
And where did you get the idea that I think the world owes me anything? I don’t want anything from your fevered-imagination world.
–Thoreau
Really? Because my Great Grandfather The Racist Asshole was lying in a nursing home at 97 calling his black nurse a “Damn Coon.” Obviously he hadn’t grown out of his dislike for a group of people. In fact, I know a lot of racists and homophobes who are older than myself, so I don’t believe you. People don’t just grow out of not liking things or groups of people. I am charitable, tolerant, and kind toward my fellow people. I have nice manners, I help my neighbors, I volunteer at animal shelters and run errands for elderly relatives. But I don’t consider a creature that can’t feed or bathe itself or comprehend what is going on around it to be a person, any more than I consider a fetus to be a person or a dog or Terri Schiavo to be a person. I’m not going to grow out of that belief either.
I’m sure I haven’t got everything figured out at 23, but I know myself pretty well. I’m not extreme in my opinions anywhere except here, where I have to defend myself for 30 pages–it looks a lot worse than it is when I have to keep going on about it for so long. When somebody asks me if I want to see a picture of their kid, I just say no, and go on about my business. That’s it, that’s what it comes down to in day to day life. There’s no drama at work or at school like there is in this thread.
Not to those who “do dogs”. Hobbies are things you do in your spare time, we do dogsports with as much dedication and passion as parents feel for their children. A hobby is something you ignore when you get busy - when you are doing dogs, they are a part of your life.
Apparently you ignored the point that I am a people?
Then why do they continue to so hotly defend those people who are not responsible for their children? Go back and look at my first couple of posts (page 10) in this thread - I seem pretty clear that I am talking about bratty children and the parents that let them be that way.
No, not just allowed in restaurants - what people here chose to see and chose to ignore is just unreal. Go back and look at the posts - it is the noisy, destructive, uncontrolled - er - acting like heathens children that shouldn’t be allowed in public.
Oh please. How long do you think a restaurant or any of it’s patrons would put up with a 40 year old yelling his lungs out while flinging food? Contrast that with how many people think its cute when a 4 month old does the same thing, and how infrequently that kid is booted out.
Nope, quite a few people are just as irresponsible with their pets as they are with their kids, no argument there. What does that have to do with the fact that our local parks are almost unusable due to the blanket of children and their detritus? Or when we do manage to carve out a spot, why does this give the children the right to climb on our equipment and/or their parents to tell us to leave because we are in the way/dangerous?
No, just trying to get as many laws as possible passed in my state to force us all to alter everything we own or pay big bucks to keep them intact. No traction at all…
No, not that - the schools are a whole other thing. Encouraging people to have kids they cannot afford is things like all of the government programs for children like ADC, paid maternity leave, tax breaks, idiotic movies like Juno, the fundies insisting that all pregnancies must end in a live birth and the bazillion charities out there for children. There is the all over attitude that when parents start having money problems, anything and everything is looked at other than whether or not it was a good idea for them to have had kids or the number they did. Here the local colleges run ads featuring young couples with at least one young child talking about how they are going to turn their lives around now that (usually) dad is in school, indicating to me that society accepts and sees nothing wrong with people having kids when they don’t have a decent income.
Anytime anyone dares to suggest that someone shouldn’t have kids, they get shouted down by those who claim that person has a RIGHT to have kids. Which is weird, because for some reason it is the adult that has more rights at that time - the right to bring as many kids they want to into poverty, drug addiction, abuse, whatever. Even in the case of Octomom there were many people who supported her choice to have a pile of kids she couldn’t afford.
I’ve never said eliminate them. I want them to quit throwing more and more money at them without bothering to look at what the problems are and how to fix them. I’d also kind of like them to quit billing me for them since I’ve long ago paid back my personal public school debt, but I am realistic enough to know that won’t happen. I would like them to quit wasting the money of mine they already have and quit asking for more.
There’s a start, but what I asked was that you quit asking me to fund those children too. Pay for your choices yourself.
How is that?
How aspirational. Do you say that daily as an affirmation?
My two year old can’t do all of those things perfectly, but she certainly comprhends a lot more that’s going on around her than most would realize.
A racist just hates black children, you hate all of them. A racist just hates a certain group of people, you hate all of humanity and wish to see it go extinct. You are an enemy of all mankind. Luckily for you, you’re impotent.
And yet another narrow, child-centered viewpoint. I could only be survived by kids, grandkids, a niece/nephew or kids of friends? It isn’t at all possible that I might have friends that cover a wide range of ages? At this point in time I have some friends that are 15 years younger than I am.
Is that what you are getting out of my posts?
Sigh
Heh, heh, heh.
No, you aren’t, by your own admission. True tolerance isn’t selective. Everyone can be nice to the classes of people they like; tolerance is the measure of your charity and patience with ALL classes of people.
But, hey, your response is exactly as I expected. You’re 23; we were all there once. You’re free to disbelieve me - indeed, you probably have little choice, because you’re at a stage in your life when your ego can’t be overwhelmed by wisdom or self-awareness. In 15 years or so, if you can remember this exchange, you’ll sheepishly admit to yourself that everyone who told you you’d get over it was right. Go ahead and think I’m wrong now, but do me a favour and try to remember this thread when you’re 38.
Again, I am assuming you are not stupid. You don’t outgrow stupidity.