People make me sick. Yeah I know, they’re my own species and I shouldn’t say such a thing but they really get on my nerves. They destroy rain forests without any care about what is going to happen to the animals that live there. Then they kill those animals uselessly. At the rate it’s going now, by the year 2035 there will only be 280,000 acres of rain forest left!:eek: :mad: That’s disgusting! What’s worse, we humans are the cause of it.
Got a cite?
You’re right that destroying rainforest at such a catastrophic rate is bad news, but this is more of a GD topic. People don’t cause deforestation for kicks, they do it driven by economic pressures. The key is to find a way of to ensure that preserving rainforest is more profitable than destroying it.
If it’s any consolation, even if humans were perfect stewards of nature, in about a billion years, the sun will expand to such a degree that the earth will be sterilized.
We’ll be able to use the gravity of giant asteroids or comets to slowly expand our orbit to counter the effects of a brighter sun. I say we’ve got a few billion years left at least.
DaLovin’ Dj
and your point is…what exactly? your not a mass-murderer-in-study are you? are you a discriminating misanthrop? and what about those pesky ants that tear up the forests?
you might just want to get out more
What a relief! I just took out a mortgage.
Oh, damn. I just got back from a hard day’s work defoliating rainforests and stomping on fluffy jungle critters and find out it’s wrong? Nooooo! 
[Robert Duval(l)]
“I love the smell of clear-cutting in the morning.”
[/Robert Duval(l)]
ozonebaby you’ve got an issue with deforestation and your beef is with…“people?”
That paintbrush is a bit big. Pick a smaller one and have at it again.
Those “pesky little ants that tear up the forests” are part of that eco system and at least they belong there. I think you’ve seen “The Naked Jungle” one too many times.
Maybe I don’t want to go out amoung the species that makes me want to vomit. I can’t say that I’m proud to be a human being. In the movie “The Matrix” the agent guy says that humans are like a virus. We move to one area and multiply. When it gets overpopulated, we move to another area and do the same thing. I must say I agree with that, even if it is from a movie script.
I’m sorry to say that this doesn’t seem particularly virus-like to me. Perhaps you meant: “humans are able to reproduce and function like organisms only when they invade and use the metabolic machinery of a host cell, I mean ecosystem; inevitably causing the death and lysis of the ecosystem”? Even then, though, it isn’t completely true.
If you don’t mind, I’d like to know exactly what you mean when you say, “We move to one area and multiply. When it gets overpopulated, we move to another area and do the same thing.” For starters, how are you defining “overpopulated”?
"Clubbed baby fir seal! Getcher clubbed baby fir seal here!
What? No, I don’t have chocolate ice cream. It’s a clubbed baby fir seal. Well, it’s not any bloody flavor, is it? Except marine mammal. It’s a clubbed baby fir seal!
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[sub]With the appropriate apologies[/sub]
Man, that is one hell of a lot of self-loathing. You sound like one of those fools who are afraid to go out for a walk in case they step on a bug. Get help. Seriously.
I’m not that bad, sheesh!
overpopulated: having more people than can be supported by the resources
Good enough definition?
Nothing wrong with a good ole fashioned misanthrope. Just as long as you don’t go around shooting people.
(PS - I think you’re right, which is why my plans for colonizing Mars are almost complete…)
Relax. In the Great Scheme of Things, humans are a very, very young species. We have yet to find our Equilibrium. If you look at the history of any new species, you see lots of growth until something decides to start killing it. Then there’s Balance.
We just need to wait for the Evil Nazi Groundhogs to start taking up arms.
You should really be mad at that Paul Bunyon.
Did you ever see him in action? He could chop down 100 trees with one swing of his big axe. And he’d just swing it back and forth, running along mowing down hundreds of acres in a matter of seconds. He is the OG environmental terrorist.
I am so sick of hearing people declaim that we are destroying the earth, or it’s ecology. Sorry, just not possible! We are in no way powerful enough to do either. We might render the earth unfit for human habitation, but hey, 2 or 3 million years without us on it, and earth’ll be just fine again. Same for the ecology. We can’t destroy it. We might change it so much we die off, but the ecology is resilient, it’ll bounce back. We need to treat the earth right for our sake, not for the earth’s sake.
Erm, okay. According to that definition we haven’t overpopulated the Earth yet. Maybe you mean we “operpopulate and then move on” on a local scale, but there are some factors that make even that a bit iffy.
For example, is Manhattan Island overpopulated? We can certainly support the people living there now, but the island by itself probably could not. Does that make it overpopulated? If so, how is that bad? (Discounting other environmental problems, and concentrating, for a moment, only on the human population.) Forgive me, but isn’t concentrating people into a small area part of the point of urbanization?
ozonebaby let me just say that you are the sort of ignorant, uninformed, irrational, full-of-shit, prophet-of-doom, it’s-alright-to-lie-and-promote-ignorance-if-it’s-for-a-good-cause, left-wing, tree-hugging, dandelion-sniffing, bleeding-heart, holier-than-thou fuck-knuckle greeny that makes it so hard for any sort of genuine environmental problems to be even mentioned without evoking gales of laughter.
Listen up you cretin because if you really love the “rainforest” (an ecosystem I’m willing to bet you’ve never actually seen let alone studied in depth) you’ll serve it far better by not being a pig-ignorant fuck-peice.
There are those of us who actually work hard to establish what is going on out here in the real world. We don’t moan and bitch about how much we hate people and how where going to lie in our rooms and sulk coz everyone’s a big poo-poo head. We go out and we study, then we work hard in the wonderful heat and humidity that are tropical forests and woodlands, monitoring, observing, measuring, analysing and then in two years we go back and count the same fucking trees and termite mounds and water channels all over again until we actually know what the fuck is going on. We don’t bitch and moan.
We don’t make wild-arse statements that within 40 years there’s only going to be x hectares of vegetation type y remaining. We work out what the factors in both decline and spread of these systems are. (Yes ozonebaby, it may amaze you in your little fairyland to find out that rainforest is increasing in range in places and causing serious problems.) We talk to people, you know those horrible icky little plebs that you couldn’t possibly relate too, and we find them to be intelligent and rational and able to discuss things logically. We find out what they are doing, and why they are doing it and how this effecting the communities we’re studying. If there is any doubt we conduct trials and experiments, eliminating one factor after another until we actually know what the fuck is going on. We don’t bitch and moan.
Then we formulate management plans, and do more trials, and more monitoring, and more consultation until we can find a way to reduce the impacts of people, or come up with a just compensation plan if there really is no solution. You see we actually know what the fuck is going on. We don’t bitch and moan.
Ozonebaby while I understand that it’s trendy to love the rainforest please don’t spread ignorant shite on these boards. Better yet don’t spread it at all. Bullshit statements like “by the year 2035 there will only be 280,000 acres of rain forest left” are what makes my job, and the job of all IRL ecologists, so fucking hard. Dickheads like you make these ludicrous statements, and every time I say that ‘we need to protect alluvial bluegum communities because there are bonly 100, 000 hecatres of fragmented representatives left’ the opposition invariably brings up a statement made by some pillock who was you in 1971, complete with love beads, who said that by 1999 there would only be 1000 hectraes of this community left. I then have to try and explain that people like you are dickheads who don’t understand complex things like ‘valid extrapolation’, ‘social trends’, ‘impacts of technology’, ‘market forces’ and ‘cat’ ‘mat’ and ‘fluffy bunny’ and that you are, in summary, complete tools with shit for brains. This isn’t easy when half the panel are producers who understand market forces well enough but whose grasp of stats is worse than mine (though better than yours because at least they can understand that 16 million from 16 million can never equal -280, 000).
Do you actually know what a rainforest is?
Do you know in which nations of the world rainforests are found?
Do you know how many hectares of rainforest is currently found in national parks, conservation reserves and world heritage areas?
How the fuck do you explain that in the Wet Tropics World Heritage reserves in Australia alone there are over 2,000,000 acres of rainforest, yet within 35 years we are not only going to revoke it’s World Heritage status, but apparently clear fell it as well.
That’s 2, 000, 000 acres of rainforest that can’t be touched in the Australian wet tropics alone folks. This doesn’t include the areas of subtropical and temperate rainforests all the way down the east coast and the NT rainforest areas. Then we have the billions of hectares in national parks, World Heritage areas and conservation reserves in Asia, South and Central America, Africa and Various Islands. Yet our very own Nostradamus, ozonebaby, hath predicted that all government is going to collapse, replaced by one world government who is not only going to revoke the conservation status of these areas but compell the hapless natives to clearfell them.
Ozonebaby I must congratulate you. You have managed in one short post to demonstrate clearly everything that is wrong with the conservation movement in the world today. You are an opinionated, whiney, lazy, stupid, thoughtless, ant-social cretin out to have a bitch because it justifies why you don’t have to do anything. You have no solutions, you’re not prepared to work towards a solution or even an understanding of the problem, you just whinge and piss and lie in your own excrement because it’s easy.
And to top it all you have the temerity to spread this ignorant bullshit on these boards. If you want to take this to GD I’ll be glad to enlighten you further on why your position is ignorant bullshit, but since this is the PIt I’ll just close by saying:
Eat Shit and Die you worthless, festering, malodorous hippy-spawn.
[sub]Buddha on a Syphilitic Camel, you people wonder why I have a problem with tree-huggers.[/sub]
Well that was rather uncalled for wasn’t it! I could have started this thread something like that but you’ll notice I didn’t. Sheesh! I didn’t mean for some insult contest to start and I refuse to take part in it by saying anything to hurt anyones feelings, not that you care if you do (not that you did)!
Sounds like you’ve been to the rain forest you lucky bastard. What’s not to like?!
“actually know what the fuck is going on. We don’t bitch and moan.” I think you’ve said that enough and I am NOT being trendy at all (to tell the truth, I’ve always tried to go against any trend I can, not that that’s relivent or that anyone cares). Also, I was never thought,
'we need to protect alluvial bluegum communities because there are bonly 100, 000 hecatres of fragmented representatives left’ the opposition invariably brings up a statement made by some pillock who was you in 1971, complete with love beads, who said that by 1999 there would only be 1000 hectraes of this community left.
I was never a hippie or an evironmentalist freak. I just care about what we’re doing to this earth, is that a crime? Have I broken a law, because that’s the way you make it sound.