Is the world coming to an end or what??
You all thought Hillary would have been a better president?
Good job!
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I"m also so very sorry you and the Mrs. are going through this. My heart is breaking for you.
Not to pick on you, but I also have to take issue with the notion of hiring someone who doesn’t know squat about the job. Why not hire a gardener to fix your electrical problems? Companies don’t hire CEOs without making sure they are fully qualified for the position. Trump is so far out of his depth in WDC, it would be laughable if it wasn’t so seriously frightening. You agreed that Congress caused much of the problem. Did you vote against your incumbents? I’m guessing not, unless they had a ‘D’ after their name.
Anyway, I’ll stop nattering at you. While you’re not angry (yet voted for him anyway), I’m furious with all those who thought they would 'make America great again. :rolleyes:
thank you again! I appreciate the help
Well, I do agree about lack of experience to govern, but he does have experience putting together teams of people and getting things done. Hillary has a lot of experience but I’m not so sure she learned a whole lot from it. FYI I did vote against an incumbent. I’m conservative but I have no problem casting the vote somewhere else if I think the other person will do a better or job or is more in line with my views on certain topics. I just didn’t think Hillary was the one to do it for me. Make America Great Again, just a slogan, they all need one. Quite honestly, my dad served in the Marines in the Pacific during WWII. He and my mom came from the greatest generation. I have no doubt about that. Sorry I just went off track there a little.
I’m disappointed some, but not really confused. Having watched the polls completely blow it on the Brexit issue, I wasn’t in a trusting frame of mind about them. One thing is (haven’t read the Cracked article yet, they may mention this), it’s a SECRET ballot. After all the name calling by Democrats and liberals, a lot of people probably kept their mouths shut and voted Trump. I’ve been steeling myself for this eventuality since the Democratic Convention and the way the DNC has worked hard to eliminate any competition for Clinton.
Back to Brexit, the reaction from the Remainers was similar to the run of the mill Democrat. If you don’t vote with us you’re a racist, xenophobic, homophobic asshole. Never mind there are some real problems out there Clinton was never going to touch with a ten foot laser pointer.
Besides, don’t they say you have to hit bottom before you can rise back up? I’m starting to see some really funny looking fish, so I think bottom may be in sight.
My daughter had the best reaction I’ve heard so far. “Keepin’ my head down and my lady parts out of reach.”
I am so sorry about your wife. My mother in law’s funeral will happen tomorrow. I don’t say this as a one-up challenge; just that I had to get through grieving the election really quickly so I can give all of my attention to my husband when he needs it most.
Best wishes to you both.
Yesterday evening, we ate at a nice restaurant and then headed back home. She asks what my immediate plans are and I say “Watching the game”. Meaning watching the returns come in state by state.
It is for me what football is for some other people. There’s an adversarial conflict, a side to root for, a finite duration, and winners and losers.
Now, don’t get me wrong: I’m not one of those people who say there’s no difference between one side and the other. There certainly is, and this is a catastrophic outcome. But let’s put things in context: once every four years I’m asked which of two politicians I want to make my decisions for me until next time. (And in between there are Senatorial and Congressional races, and in between those are some minor local races and initiatives. I vote in all of them that I’m qualified to vote in).
I regard that as a problem that no good politician can fix. It’s too much centralized power, not enough democracy. And like all centralized power, it lures in way too many people for whom the sole attraction is power over other people, folks who have no vision or feel no calling to make things better for people overall, they just want to run things. And because it does that, it creates and maintains an environment in which idealistic and visionary intentions have to take a back seat to the process of seizing power and beating opponents. I think it’s a pisspoor model. I’m not the kind of person who roots for a bad outcome in hopes that people will then recognize that the model that’s in place is a bad one. But although I’m disappointed, I’m not surprised on that level (although I’m quite shocked because I totally did not expect this outcome in this particular case, I believed the pollsters collectively in the aggregate and thought she had it in the bag).
Now the other side will know how many of us felt when Obama was elected the first time, that’s my reaction, when I finally got a chance to think about it.
After reading several posts in this thread and a few other threads, my feeling is confirmed.
Thank you ThelmaLou for starting this thread, though we should totally be writing our books for NaNoWriMo right now. 
When I woke up this morning, I was certain I was on a pretty even keel until one of my cousins posted on FB, ‘‘I don’t understand what the big deal is, Trump can’t take women’s rights away, people are so overreacting!’’ (She is a social conservative so does not view Roe v. Wade as taking women’s right away.)
I wrote her a long, deeply personal treatise on why I feel Trump voters threw sexual assault survivors under the bus. Her response was essentially, ‘‘That’s what the media wants you to think!’’ So okay fine, whatever. I was still totally cool.
Then her husband steps in to discount and minimize the vile things Trump has said about sexually assaulting and denigrating women, and it was the 10,000th time too many of being told that nobody gives a shit about sexual assault survivors.
In the span of three seconds, I went from ‘‘mildly irritated’’ to ‘‘the most outraged I have ever felt in my life.’’ I had a complete fucking (private) meltdown and managed to hammer out, ‘‘I just literally shrieked out loud. I am removing myself from the conversation now’’ before I collapsed into a fit of sobs and starting to shriek like a goddamn banshee. Now I’ve felt the need to scream into a pillow maybe twice or three times in my life, but generally I get some warning. Well, the sudden attack of rage scared the shit out of me. (Rage terrifies me in general.)
Such is life with PTSD, and November is the worst month of the year for me. I’m trying to remember this is all happening in what is usually my most emotionally volatile and hard-to-focus-on-anything-but-trauma month. The trauma of being rejected by my family for being sexually abused and hearing all their excuses, rationalizations, and minimalizations has just been magnified a hundredfold by all the ignorant things people are saying every day in defense of their favored candidate. I do very much feel like my country is throwing me and other victims of sexual assault under the bus.
Since I’m only half-crazy, I know this is not about that particular individual (whom I respect) but that it is about trauma. It is the story of my family’s betrayal, writ large.
The good news is I felt the calm after the storm within about 30 seconds. I immediately contacted a close friend of mine who is a Trump voter and asked her to talk me down from the ledge. Since she feels she was in my shoes in 2008 and 2012, there was an ability to relate to the anger grief and confusion I was feeling. But as I explained to her, ‘It’s not even about the vote. It’s that people are pretending this behavior is okay and IT’S NOT OKAY. I just need someone to say it’s not okay.’ I am fully aware of the likely consequences of a Hillary President and I owned that shit when I cast my vote, the good and the bad. That people refuse to acknowledge all of the consequences when they choose to vote for a candidate, and that they refused to do this at the expense of sexual assault survivors, enrages me.
I then contacted a staunch Democrat friend (both of these women are Dopers) and went out to lunch with her so we could cry in our food together. The waiter took one look at us mopey faces and asked if he could bring us a round of drinks to cheer us up. But we had a good conversation and left somewhat heartened.
So I posted on Facebook about both of these women who had helped me through this difficult time, and another FB friend started messaging and ranting at me for daring to talk to a Trump voter, because she is the only one who ever feels pain and victimization and apparently despises the fact that I am trying to cope in a way she doesn’t approve of. I unfollowed her.
I unfollowed another psycho liberal friend who said he was going to unfriend anyone who voted 3rd party, because I am tired of his asshole bullshit.
People on my side have apparently learned nothing from the results of this election (that the hateful rhetoric has to stop) and that pisses me off too.
Basically I’m relatively comfortable until something sets me off and then I am an endless font of rage, and it doesn’t seem to be directed at any demographic in particular, just people who manage to piss me off. This is highly, highly unusual for me.
I am going to therapy tomorrow and that is the best news I’ve gotten all week.
FWIW, I didn’t unfriend anyone over the ‘election,’ but I unfollowed/unfriended people acting like assholes, and most of them turned out to be liberals.
In denial when I went to bed last night. In shock when I woke up at 4am, checked my phone, and saw the news.
And throughout the day, I start crying whenever I go online. The Hillary Clinton quotation about little girls deserving every chance is the one that slays me.
Lots of self-soothing behaviors. Tea. Real sugar in my oatmeal. Pasta. Knitting. Stuffing circuit boards. Lots of housework. Went to the craft store. I feel beat up.
The same except the knitting, circuit boards, housework and crafting.
Hugs to you.
Thanks, Buttercup. And to you too.
I want to thank you for posting here in such a calm and measured manner. There are lots of people here who disagree with you, but you set a good tone for the discussion.
I also thank **Sahirrnee **for his/her post calling out the hateful and nasty rhetoric against Trump voters. I personally think that a lot of Trump’s support comes from a combination of fear and ignorance, but (to repeat myself from another thread) you don’t cure fear and ignorance by pointing at it and laughing. I strongly suspect that a lot of Trump voters ended up voting for him out of sheer stubbornness brought on by being infuriated at the things that **Sahirrnee **wrote about.
As for me, I stopped looking at the results when they started to turn really ugly, maybe around 7:30 Pacific time or so. I had trouble sleeping, and finally got up at 4:30 am and found out the results. It was a shock to me and I couldn’t understand it. Since then, I have done some reflection, while spending time doing totally unrelated things (today is one of my volunteer days taking care of street trees for a local organization). Right now I am hoping against hope that those of us who support the values that Clinton espoused will learn well the lessons of this election, and stop being so smug about the other side. This isn’t a football game where a little smack talk is taken in friendly part by everyone. So I hope we can learn to dump the smack talk and just talk about the issues, all the issues, including the ones that the other side thinks are important and you don’t.
I voted after researching the candidates, and seeing every debate on both sides in the primaries and in the presidential campaign.
Yesterday, I felt great.
Clinton spent about $400 million dollars in TV ads alone. $400 million. Trump spent half that, and won. Clinton spent twice what Trump spent, and despite many political advantages, including Barack and Michelle repeatedly stumping for her, she lost miserably.
This country needs to be run like an efficient business. By someone who knows how to get the most bang for the buck. Efficiency and effectiveness.
Today, I feel great.
These statements are very incongruous.
They are very congruous. We are now on a path to a more efficient government that will do more, will serve the people more, at a lower cost. A government run by a businessman and not by a lifelong politician.
I do feel great.
Somehow the thought of the Trumps descending the White House staircase while the Marine Band plays Hail to the Chief offends and sickens me most. That that person will actually be living in the White House. Silly, but that’s all I can think of today. I wish I’d gone to Canada when I had the chance. I’m certainly not proud to be an American anymore.
Me too! I felt great when I got up yesterday when I found out!!
YAY
I did not get my post finished yesterday but I want to know what is so bad about Trump winning. What is he going to do that would run America into the depths of hell?