Read today that the “People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals” have asked Green Bay’s professional football team to change their mascot. Seems “Packers” originally comes from “meat packers”.
Great freakin deity.
Do these people have nothing else to do ?? This is the stupidest, most inane, ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
These same idiots will give you the finger if you cut them off in traffic. “Love Animals, Fuck People”. I want to see the bumper sticker.
PETA, go and free some rabbits so cancer will be cured that much later ok ? No one is going to change the name of this NFL team, because no one takes your organization seriously. Due to horse puckey like this.
The same article mentioned PETA favored the “Green Bay Pickers” as a nod to fruits and vegetables. Well just blow me down . . . up, sideways, and in zero gravity. Can you have any more loose a hold on reality ?
So bring the steak, I’ll take it rare. Hopefully I won’t spill the juice on my leather boots.
No. In fact, all they do, 24-7-365, is write the same letter over and over to the Packers.
“Got it: Can’t win, don’t try.” – Bart Simpson
WARNING: The above has been a sweeping and mostly inaccurate generalization.
PETA doesn’t do that. You have them confused with some other organization that engages in illegal activities and the destruction of other people’s property.
Hey, why don’t they experiment on humans to cure cancer?
Apparently their membership takes them quite seriously.
Yes, no NFL ever changed their name for any reason, so why suggest it? :rolleyes:
I’m sure changing the team name from one group of poor, mostly immigrant workers who slave in miserable conditions to bring us food to another will have a huge effect on worldwide meat consumption.
During the World Bank/IMF protests in D.C., PETA dumped sevaral tons of manure outside the buildings to protest funding of livestock development programs in developing countries. There are plenty of reasons to rank on the Bank, but helping African subsistence farmers and herders achieve greater food security wouldn’t be first on my list. They have NO CLUE. I did have to give them some points for creativity, but I can think of places where I’d rather dump a giant steaming pile.
PETA doesn’t do that. You have them confused with some other organization that engages in illegal activities and the destruction of other people’s property.
PETA may not do that, I honestly do not know much about this organization, but the fact that it is shrouded in secrecy is a bad sign.
Hey, why don’t they experiment on humans to cure cancer?
Apparently their membership takes them quite seriously.
So, no doubt, does the NRA.
Yes, no NFL ever changed their name for any reason, so why suggest it? :rolleyes:
Asshole.
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The Green Bay Packers were known long before PETA. The fact that they are known as the “Packers” is mute. Most people just know the “Packers”. The origin of the word is not important. If GB were the “Meat Packers”, then OK maybe you have a point. However all merchandise, the logo, and simply the street name . . . Packers. Fudge packers. Meat packers. Moving packers. Truck packers. Factory packers . . . people pack.
Its gratuitous, its only a shot at PR. (Which my dumb ass gave them.)
No, PETA is not the ALF, but their philosophical positions
are identical.
To someone who has lost family to cancer, that is unbelievably stupid and hurtful. PL, if you can’t tell the difference between the value of the lives of humans and rabbits, you are either evil or ethically blind.
Frankly, judging by your indifference to human suffering, I truly believe you’re an evil man. My uncle Bill died of small cell carcinoma last year, and I would test a hecatomb of rats to bring him back.
PL, have you ever been to India? I think you’d like it there. In India, even in New Delhi, animals, e.g. pigs, cows, monkeys and rats, run in the streets unimpeded. You can’t walk without stepping in animal shit. And the smell…! People don’t live well, but at least the cows can block traffic.
I was just about to post a thread on the Packers topic when I saw this. How incredibly stupid and time-wasting. How will changing the name of the Packers to Pickers or Six-Packers (another suggestion) possibly help to advance their cause? (Other than publicity, which, based on the numerous shenanigans they’ve pulled of late, may be their whole desire.)
There was a time when PETA had some sound arguments and actually did some good. Now they are losing all credibility with these lame stunts. Too bad they’ve gone so far overboard.
One last comment, shouldn’t they change their name to PETM (as in mammals)? They don’t seem nearly so upset about fish, insects, etc. How come everyone was in an uproar over dolphins being trapped in tuna nets? What about all the damn TUNA being trapped in tuna nets? Then they get upset over the rat eating on “Survivor,” but barely mention the stingray and totally ignore the beetles the participants ate alive! Hypocrites!
NothingMan: Shrouded in secrecy? They have a frigging website with their annual review (including financials) and all their literature contained therein. Doesn’t sound too secret to me. Christ on a pogo stick, you can’t get much less secret than that.
goboy: You are way the fuck out of line here, sonny. I mean, if you were in front of me, I’d punch you right in the fucking mouth. I’ve lost family to cancer, too. Lots of them. Lymphatic, lung, and a few other variations. Both of my parents have had benign tumors removed in recent years.
To begin with, I’d like to know what exactly makes you think I am “indifferent to human suffering.” You better be able to come up with more than a commitment to animal rights and calling someone a nasty name, and I mean a LOT more. I’ve been posting to the SDMB both on AOL and here for several years; you’ve been posting for two months, so don’t pretend like you know me. While I may be hot-tempered and abrasive, anyone here who knows me knows I am a consummate bleeding-heart liberal, immensely concerned with the underpriveleged, so you really had better reconsider this statement or back it up.
Next, I have never – NEVER – advocated an end to all medical testing. Anybody who claims I have is a boldfaced liar. In fact, my wife and I have had this discussion privately many times, and a complete ban on medical research is one of PETA’s tenets with which I happen to disagree. I do advocate a search for alternate research methods, and I find it painful that so much suffering has to be induced in the search for cures to human diseases. (Again, Kimstu discusses this above, but nobody seems to want to respond to it. I guess in the face of reason, people like you are weaponless.)
I short, pal, you can fuck right off. Before you make a statement of this nature, you better have some foundation, or you come off like a mealy-mouthed little bitch who likes to sling accusations without proof.
“if you were in front of me, I’d punch you right in the fucking mouth.” Like I said, hypocrites. Apparently the ethical treatment of animals does not include people.
Quick! There are lions eating antelope in Africa – get over there and separate them!
PL,
I wrote a really hateful response, then I erased it because it was unworthy of me and would just inflame you.
Why are you so fond of name-calling and threats of physical violence? Is your conduct typical of “a consummate bleeding-heart liberal, immensely concerned with the underpriveleged”? All I have seen is hate, hate aimed at me, hate aimed at other posters. You need counselling.
Let’s see . . . you tell me I don’t care about cancer victims, that I’m evil, that I am indifferent to human suffering, and that I am ethically void, and I’m supposed to shrug it off? Did you just fly in from Mars or something?
I’m going to have to insist on you backing up the statements you made about me or retracting them. If you cannot back them up and do not retract them, I will absolutely ensure that everyone knows that you are a liar.
BTW, are you some sort of psychological or psychiatric professional, particularly one who is qualified to make medical diagnoses and treatment recommendations for people he has never met? Oh, no, geez–you’re a copy editor. Funny, I’ve worked as a copy editor, and was never asked to give my opinion on psychological matters. Perhaps you’re confusing yourself with someone much more important than you really are. Pity. You really ought to see someone about your delusions of grandeur, or your need to impersonate someone in the medical profession.
I don’t hate you, goboy. I don’t even know you. I do know that you’re awfully quick to make personality judgements and unfounded statements regarding people you barely know. That’s a bad habit to get into, and if you’re going to do it to me, I’m going to call you on it. But don’t you dare tell me I don’t care about people with cancer, or about people in general. You don’t know me nearly well enough to make such a statement.
Gazoo: Apparently another fan of the unfounded statement. Besides, punching someone who has just insulted you is an ethical position. Perhaps not the only one, but I’ve never been one for turning the other cheek.
What is unfounded? You don’t think PETA advocates eating tuna, do you? Have you ever actually read a PETA press release, or do you rely on the media to do your thinking for you?
And yes, ethically speaking, strong insults may sometimes be met with force. I’d fully expect to get punched for some of the things I’ve said here, and I’d fully expect others to expect the same based on what they’ve said.
Chill out, gentlemen. Have a cheeseburger. Bite it. Or the flesh of whatever animal/vegtable/mineral makes you happy.
Personally I remember thinking years ago that PETA sounded like a group of people I could support. Who wouldn’t favor computer modeling over causing pain and suffering to any creature? But just as the abortion clinic bombers have made me think (undoubtedly unjustifiedly) that right-to-lifers are all a bunch of psychopaths (exaggeration), the ALF and their likes have made many people think PETA = people who would prefer killing people to animals.
As for the Packers, most of us in Chicago refer to them as Cheeseheads anyway, so the change from Packers to Pickers wouldn’t really matter.
PL,
I will withdraw the charge of being indifferent to human suffering. In fact, AFAIK, you are the friggin’ Boddhisatva of Compassion.
Here’s some quotes for you: from your posts in the “Unhappy Meals” thread:
[quote}Why should McDonald’s have this level of access to children’s minds, but PETA shouldn’t? Defend that, you fucking jackasses.
**you arrogant, sanctimonious cunt
Fuck, I’m going to renew my membership today just to spite you bunch of no-life assholes
But I can already predict your response: “He hit me first.” Cunt
Pending that, you’re just some fucking idiot
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This is why I think you’re disturbed. You’re right, I’m not a doctor, but it doesn’t take a doctor to tell you have serious anger issues.
As far as approving traumatizing children:
Being ethically blind:
combined with the McD’s quotes.
What really bugs me is that I **agree] with you on ending cruelty to animals. I don’t eat meat, I don’t wear leather, not even belt or shoes. But your argumentative stance-threatening physical violence because I mentioned my uncle could have been saved through animal testing?? C’mon.-really bothers me.
Part of the problem here PL is that you are being unclear. For instance you say:
Nope. That’s another thread. If you’ve clarified your position on animal testing in that other thread you could at least post a link to it. Don’t assume we’re gonna read everything you’ve written to find out if you’ve covered this topic before.
You are right, Trion–that was in the other thread. There are so many anti-PETA threads, I’m beginning to lose track. My fault.
Goboy: Yep, I said some angry things in that thread. I also apologized for some of them. You never get angry? You never say anything stupid? You never get fed up with seeing your principles ridiculed (especially as a gay man, holy crow!)? Then you’re a better person than 99.9999999% of the people I know. But don’t pretend you know all about me from one stinking thread. Cripes.
Also, I didn’t say I’d punch you for stating you wished your uncle could have been saved by animal testing. I was furious at your implicit suggestion that I don’t know from cancer or care about it. Cancer has devastated portions of my family. Every time I see my father, I have to see the big scar under his right ear along his jawline where they took a big tumor out two years ago. My grandfather has had so many operations to remove cancerous skin that we’ve lost count.
Now, however, we get into a dicey area that I hesitate to bring up. What exactly is the ethical difference between a human life and a non-human life? Can you explain it without resorting to tautological statements? Or is it just, as Kimstu articulated in the other thread, that we are bigger and stronger and able to accomplish our goals using animals? IMHO, given that animals would probably prefer not to be captured (or bred) and injected with disgusting diseases, that deserves some consideration.
As I said, I do not oppose all medical research. It makes my heart ache to see what laboratory animals undergo to save human lives, though, and I’m not going to pretend that I wouldn’t rather have it some other way. Flip it around, though–let’s say some disease threatened to kill all the dogs in the world, and it could be eliminated through the death of a single human. Would you do it? Why or why not?
2nd Law: I would like to see PETA take a much more active stance in denouncing and distancing themselves from the ALF.