I thought she’d at least wait until Minnesota was done tomorrow.
Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg,…and Warren. Sitcom anyone?
He had breakfast yesterday with Jimmy Carter. Given Pete has modelled his campaign rise from total anonymity to front-tier status as Carter did in 1976, I wonder if the ol’ man gave the polite word of wisdom that 2020 is a cycle too soon for Pete to go all the way. Carter had the support of black voters given his policies as Georgia governor whereas Pete never resonated. He has time to build trust however. I’d rather he run statewide in his next race than take some administration role like VA Sec. which while is a fine job, it takes him out of the picture as an orator which is big asset.
She knows Biden needs to do well there. Smart move.
To what end? Winning Minnesota does jackshit for her and losing it incredibly embarrassing. People seem to think scoring a couple extra delegates will get these candidates some big bargaining power for the veep slot or some other position. I see no reason to believe that for the most part.
I think for both Pete and Amy, money was a major concern. If you’re seeing the fundraising dollars in absolute free fall on top of all the Biden endorsements, what’s the point? No one wants to end their campaign in deep debt and not be able to pay the staff, especially for Pete and Amy who are likely to be out there in future years.
Yep, I pledge to vote for whoever then Nominate, even in the safe Blueness of CA.
Reportedly (by CNN), Buttigieg will be at Biden’s rally in Dallas tonight, along with Klobuchar, where both will officially support him
Oh yeah, that’s some backroom dealing. Pete probably gets a high cabinet position, maybe even VP, and preferential treatment towards running in 24/28.
So we’ll have a contested convention in which Bernie has the most voters but the nom is given to Biden or Bloomberg anyway, and you have about half the young people turnout (as a demographic) you had in 2018, and you alienate them for years to come. And Trump wins anyway.
But hey, at least it’s worth the dream possibility of that Biden/Bloomberg presidency.
I had to watch the Hillary mistake happen in slow motion with disastrous results, and now I’ve gotta watch the Biden/Bloomberg mistake go down the same way, but actually way worse, because neither would be as good a president as Hillary, and, well, we already fucking know what happens when we do this and we have to watch it all over again.
It’s awfully soon to be making such predictions. Bernie could have a great day tomorrow – we just don’t know. At least wait until the results from tomorrow before all the gloom and doom!
In fact, this could backfire on Biden. I can see this happening in pretty much every college dorm, not to mention the homes of quite a few high school seniors (not to mention their “how am I supposed to pay for my child’s college?” parents):
“Sanders doesn’t need my vote…
What’s this? Buttigieg and Klobuchar are both endorsing Biden now?
Better not take any chances - I’d better make it a point to vote.”
I’m surprised the Sanders campaign hasn’t gone after students more aggressively with a “If You Want President Sanders That Badly, Make Sure You Vote” targeted campaign.
Oh, it’s fine to make those predictions because he has no intention of acknowledging if they don’t happen. The idea is to churn the water with so much anti-Bernie conspiracy theories that anything other than a Bernie victory is prejudged as illegitimate.
My goal is not to “churn the water with conspiracy theories” - conspiracy theories are a mind set in which any evidence, even disconfirming evidence, reinforces the original view. I’m not engaging in the behavior.
On the other hand, there actually are conspiracies. In fact, they’re ubiqitous and happen all the time.
For instance, it’s clear to you, is it not, that the democratic party does not want Bernie Sanders as their candidate, right?
If so, is it implausible to think that they’d use whatever party machinery or control over the nomination process to try to favor other candidates over him?
If so, then how is the assumption that something that looks like a back room deal for the democratic party to strengthen other candidates over Bernie a “conspiracy theory”? What disconfirming evidence have I brushed off or used to strengthen my views?
Sure, I allege a conspiracy. Conspiracies happen all the time. You would actually expect, in this very instance, that there would be such a conspiracy. In fact, I would suggest that everything being on the up and up, and the democratic party not trying to put their thumbs on the scale, is the improbable, unsupported analysis.
In fact, many of you would be angry if they weren’t doing exactly that - if they were not engaging in a conspired effort to prevent Sanders from receiving the nomination.
If Sanders can in fact drive turnout of younger and Hispanic voters he should have a very good day tomorrow. If he does not have a very good day then he actually cannot drive the turnout.
What does that say about him as standard bearer in the Fall?
And that’s the Bernie Bro argument in a nutshell. There’s always some conspiracy against Bernie. I truly despise that vile bag of shit more and more every day.
So, who, pray tell, is sitting around some secret lair stroking a white cat to make sure that Bernie gets screwed?
Okay, so which part do you think is wrong?
- The party apparatus of the democratic party, including those who set party policy, do not want Bernie to run the nomination
- They would exert influence, where possible, to make it less likely that Bernie will win the nomination
- That exertion of influence would take some form of collaboration - even if it’s simply talking to each other about their concerns and intent
Which of those things do you disagree with? What’s so outrageous about any of those? Those are obviously true, and those constitute a conspiracy. Conspiracies happen ALL THE FUCKING TIME. They’re routine. This is not alleging a grand conspiracy, like that the entire world medical community is using vaccines as some sort of secret plot even though they know how harmful they are. This is just a simple, routine, and expected conspiracy.
So, when a bunch of candidates drop out before super Tuesday, is it not reasonable to wonder whether this is part of a strategic effort to consolidate their support and votes behind their non-Bernie candidate? Treating this as a WILD CONSPIRACY THEORY JUST LIKE CHEMTRAILS!!! is absurd. This is the sort of routine conspiracy the world sees every day.
What’s even weirder than that, is that most of you want them to be doing exactly this. But then when we simply say it exists, then suddenly it’s OMG CONSPIRACY THEORY BERNIE BROS I HATE BERNIE EVEN MORE!!!
Btw, given that Bernie hasn’t made comments to this effect as far as I know, and I’m just some dude on the internet that’s posting something that’s not implausible whatsoever, your reaction of “I truly despise that vile bag of shit more and more every day” is completely irrational.
I, for one, am not surprised that senior people in the Democratic Party do not want Bernie to get the nomination. I am not surprised that they are doing things to further what they want.
Yet Bernie(or his supporters) are complaining about it. (and Trump* too, which is interesting)
“Conspiracy” is a word that makes it sound illicit or sinister. It is not. It’s politics. Everyone has a right to pursue their chosen strategy for victory in November.
*“In a Fox News interview Tuesday,[Feb 4] Kayleigh McEnany, a spokesperson for the Trump campaign, questioned whether the results were ‘being rigged against Bernie Sanders.’”
Keep saying this over and over “we wuz robbed”.
The “democratic party” does not choose the candidate- *the voters do. *In 2016 the voters make it very, very clear they preferred Clinton.
The voters will again make the choice this time around.
The DNC has almost no control over who gets the Nomination. It’s the voters.
Cool.
I mean, what should they do? Imagine you’re supporting a candidate in an election. You’re getting the most votes. But despite this, there are almost certainly party machinations that will result in your candidate not winning the nomination. In effect, it does not matter that your movement had the most votes, the people running the election say “nah… this isn’t really a democratic process, it’s just the illusion of one”
How do you respond to that? With contentment? Happiness? Enthusiasm?
It is illicit. If it’s a secret, coordinated plan to bring about a result that’s outside the rules or norms, it’s a conspiracy.
What would it take to reach the level of conspiracy in your mind? Let’s say, hypothetically, that there were some leaked DNC e-mails that said “we changed the debate rules so that Bloomberg could participate. If we allow Bloomberg to participate, it increases the chances of a brokered convention, so that we can install a non-Bernie candidate regardless of the votes. Also, he gave us 250m” - would that be a conspiracy in your mind?
The party apparatus of the democratic party may or may not want Bernie. But they have no control or little influence over those that do-* the voters. *
Indeed, since the DNC has no control over who get the Nomination, this is “a WILD CONSPIRACY THEORY JUST LIKE CHEMTRAILS”.