I’m afraid I’m none the wiser.
I was just smiling at the idea of updating snow white with rap. But Discourse wanted more letters. So i added some.
I used to write “extra letters for Discourse”, and some folks complained. But i see that my replacement was confusing. I think I’ll go back to adding that.
The difference is that stabbing and poisoning were not portrayed as good things in the story, but unconsenting kisses were just fine.
Ah, I see! There’s a minimum entry length that the board software needs for a post. That makes sense.
Never knew that, hadn’t come across it before. I guess it doesn’t help that “discourse” to me has only its original meaning.
It is a massive stretch to call it an “unconsenting kiss”. It is clearly someone kissing their dead loved one goodbye, if there were tongues you may have a point.
Surely a worse thing is when Snow White kisses dwarfs on the head without gaining clear consent first, obviously a sex pest but very little is mentioned about that atrocity.
I have never interpreted it that way. I admit, the whole idea of kissing a dead body is just so entirely out of my experience that i might be missing something. Fwiw, in my culture, we avoid being in the same room with dead bodies except when necessary. And we dispose of dead bodies as quickly as practical.
Did you ever go to stranger’s funerals and kiss the corpse? I mean, that’s pretty much the prince’s relationship to Snow White. Definitely not customary.
The prince’s plot:
He spies on a pretty girl doing chores at a well, singing with her own echo, and then joins in her song, subsequently chases after her as she runs away into the castle, singing a song that results in them declaring they are in love.
He searches for her based on this solid relationship basis for “true love” and finds her apparently dead. He kisses her corpse and breaks the curse.
Snow for her part is pretty, good with animals, a great housekeeper and cook (especially when animals help), and kind. She is rescued by the male dwarfs who, having overcome their initial misogynism and fear of the outsider, to large degree because she is pretty and cooks well, bravely chase off the witch and cause her death, and this prince, inadvertently, who she is true love with despite having only had a brief hook up, I mean song.
This is not a story, not the fantasy, that sells today.
Heck even then the plan had been to give him more air time but the character was apparently very hard to animate. They rotoscoped.
It’s a hard property to exploit for today’s market without major changes.
Its called “The Kiss of Life”. Yes, it is not really a kiss.
Yep.
Exactly, which used to be common and still is in some cultures.
Saying it is wrong is saying that that culture is wrong. We arent supposed to do that anymore.
Not a stranger. His true love.
That’s debatable. She met him once, when he was stalking her.
Creepy as it was it in no way qualifies as stalking.
He happened to notice a fine looking girl about his age singing while doing her chores, ogled her a bit without her knowledge, then introduced himself by joining her singing. Between what he saw and the music he fell in true lust … love, yeah love. Chasing her when she ran away and singing to her in the castle is a bit much but that was all it took for her to fall in true love too. Or to realize it (fairy tale one true love being something out there to be found, you know it when you see it, like porn).
Looking for her after that isn’t stalking. Finding her apparently dead isn’t stalking. Kissing that corpse only natural.
But hey my oldest sister came home from a first date declaring that they had decided to marry each other. My mom suggested maybe living together first? But they are still married 45 ish years later. Kids. Grandkids. They may not talk to anyone else in their families but they are still with each other. So I guess a song could be enough!
She’s not just singing about her chores. She literally sings “I’m wishing for the one I love to find me today.” And the prince joins in on that.
Sure, the modern version would probably have her put in more effort. And probably would have her and the prince interact more, and show his adventures trying to find her. All the while Snow White finds the dwarfs and winds up helping them out with something important.
We discovered a fix for that. Codes count in terms of the minimum number of characters, but if there’s nothing inside the codes nothing gets displayed. For example, despite appearing to be too few letters, the following is a valid post: (I’m disabling the codes here so you can see them.)
Hi! [b][/b]
Hi!
Yes, that’s a choice. For reasons discussed in a thread on the subject, that would just extend the hijack here, i will continue to add visible characters.
And now I’d like to apologize again for not saying something more explicit, and request that folks drop this side discussion.
The difference is, the story doesn’t present the stabbings and poisonings as good things.
Yes that is a difference but the portrayal is there on the screen nonetheless. A common complaint heard is that violence towards women is problematic no matter what light it is shown in. Clearly not in this case (and rightly so)
I think the desire to paint the Prince’s kiss as something that should also be condemned is idiotic in the extreme. A point of view that can only be held by someone who has either not seen or not understood the original film.
Not sure what your point is, here. Yes, it’s portrayed on screen, but the portrayal makes it clear that those are bad things done by a bad person. Its the difference between how Nazis are portrayed in Triumph of the Will versus how they’re portrayed in Raiders of the Lost Ark. If someone can’t grasp that distinction, they’re woefully unprepared for any discussion that involves media literacy.
Absolutely, and by the same token if someone can’t grasp the distinction between “non-consensual kiss” and “kissing a loved one goodbye” they are equally underprepared.