I don’t mind calling him trash, not because he’s homeless but because he pissed on the man’s fucking floor, you empty-headed bleading-heart stupid son of a bitch. If Donald fucking Trump pissed on a man’s floor, he’d be trash too. What is your fucking problem? Has Hillary called on the oppressed masses to piss on the floors of small businesses now?
Actually, the memo called for the opressed masses to piss on the floors of large, pro-globalization corporations. This gentleman was likely illiterate–clearly, we’ve failed him has a nation, and need to provide increased social services to his ilk. Free college and urine-friendly coffee shops for the homeless! Let’s raise taxes and spend like it’s 2003, baby!! WOOHOO!!!
Their mere arrival meant–at least, I have no doubt, to them–that they were now the bosses of the situation. I’m saying they tried to stop him partly out of offended pride. His action in the face of their inaction accused them of making the wrong decision. They, being cops, took offense, and tried to stop him. The fact that he refused to be stopped escalated the situation–in their minds–and gave them the excuse to cuff him and show his ass who’s REALLY in charge.
Sorry; meant to reply to this too:
Um, he could’ve remained calm and let the cops eventually remove him. That they hadn’t yet in no means meant they wouldn’t. He just lost his cool and pissed them off. They would’ve been on his side if he’d remained cool; he just got impatient.
Looks like Lib is off his meds again…
At least I’m not advocating that people be allowed to walk into restaurants and take a piss all over the place. Meds my ass.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that he would not have been better off to have kept his hands off of the man who had just pissed all over his store but I am frankly surprised at the idea you share with other posters that he was being impatient. Put yourself in his place. He had been dealing with problems of this sort for years. These guys were fucking with his livlihood. If I had been a patron when the piss started flying I would think twice about going back. This is not a case of some hothead losing his cool and acting like a jerk. He wanted the guy out of his establishment and if the police were not going to do it he had to do it himself. I’ve said this before but it bears repeating. In the presence of police he told the guy three times that he was trespassing. It was the cops’ duty to escort the creep out. They might have thought they were in control but clearly they were not. If I had been pestering you for years and finally I came in and pissed all over whatever it is you do for a living and jeapordized your ability to continue do you really think that giving me the bum’s rush would be an impatient thing to do? He was defending what he had worked hard to achieve. My hat is off to him.
Please read more carefully. I’m fully sympathetic to him. I’m accusing the cops of bullying. But cops are bullies, and it’s too bad he didn’t keep that in mind.
The problem was, the urine-soaked bum was about to sink into his upholstery, thereby ruining it. So timely action was called for; that hardly constituted impatience. If he’d ‘remained cool’ and had ‘let the cops eventually remove’ the vagrant, the damage would have already been done.
I repeat: if the cops aren’t going to help him protect his property against lawbreakers, it should be his right to do so. (I believe it is his right to do so, as long as the force he uses isn’t disproportionate to the threat, but IANAL.)
The fact that a piss-soaked bum was about to ruin his sofa probably had his full attention. He wasn’t likely to have mentally registered the cops he’d called as a threat to him.
The police had been there earlier that day and cleared away the homeless people who were congregating around his store. There is no reason to believe that the police would not do their job, nor is there any reason to believe that the police had it in for the owner and decided that they had to take him down a notch for oppressing the oft neglected “pants pissing” minority.
There is reason to believe that the owner was irate and potentially irrational at the time. He had previously had this vagrant ousted and in seeming retaliation, the vagrant came back and pissed on his floor. I know that would piss me off (no pun intended). When the police arrived to take care of this problem as they did earlier, the vagrant did not vamoose, but had the nerve to actually stick around and talk with the police. In ire and frustration at not having the situation rectified as expediently as he would like, the owner took action. In doing so he got physical not only with the vagrant, but with the officers he called in to take of the situtation. This is not unreasonable. I may have taken the same action. It is, however, obstruction and potentially assualt. I believe the owner was cited for obstruction.
I am with Banquet Bear in believing that there is another side of this story that is not represented.
Agreed. It’s unfortunate that he didn’t keep that in mind.
Dude, I have BEEN in his place. I have also been in the situation where a cop has turned on me because I was not adequately obseqious to his uniform. Having had BOTH experiences, MORE than once, I can tell you that if I had been LITERALLY in his place, once the cops got there, I would have made myself as small as possible and left it to them. If they didn’t oust him, I would have done so myself, physically, AFTER the cops had left.
He chose to call the cops. And then he chose to wave his hand in their faces and say, “Oh, nevermind. I can do a better job than you can.” You expect the COPS to say, “Oh, sorry sir, then we’ll quietly withdraw”? What one-horse town do YOU live in? These aren’t just cops, they’re New Yawk cops!
Once you enlist the aid of an eight hundred pound gorilla, you step out of his way.
Sorry; not New Yawk; but still.
Where do you get that the pisser was talking to the cops?
You continue to imply that the shop owner is telling the story. He is not. A reporter is telling the story.
The pisser did not “stick around and talk with the police.” He refused to leave after being told to do so three times. Please address this.
He did not “get physical” with the police. He stumbled and fell. Do you really think he is stupid enough to attack a cop? If you stumble and fall into me am I entitled to respond as if it were an assault? Think carefully now.
Ok I know you don’t mean that literally you were in a situation that was similar on these points–
A pattern of harassment over a period of years.
Interference with livehood.
Pissing on his goddamned floor!
If I am wrong would you mind enlightening me?
Who in this thread is advocating that people be allowed to walk into restaurants and take a piss all over the place? Name names and post quotes.
Which doesn’t sound necessary, in my opinion. As I said, the “damage” being done to his establishment was no more than if a customer had spilled a cup of coffee. Would he eject forcibly a customer who vomited? Or was it just that this smelly homeless guy that he didn’t like was making him mad?
If a cop is present, it’s not a good idea to take the law into your own hands, even if the cop isn’t doing anything about the situation which you find upsetting. In working with the public, I have always been taught that I should never lay hands upon a customer in a forcible manner unless someone is in immediate danger of being harmed. If someone has to be ejected, the police must be called.
What’s the worst that would have happened? The guy would have gotten the chair pissy. So fucking what? Wipe it off with disinfectant. If he’s stupid enough to have upholstery in a coffee shop where spills are frequent, then he’ll possibly have to steam clean it. Again, so fucking what? How’s it any different than if someone had spilled a cup of coffee, or if a baby’s diaper had leaked, or if someone had vomited? As a business owner, you have to be prepared for things like this.
My mistake. I apologize.
I don’t really buy this. Contrary to popular belief, most cops are not assholes just looking for a reason to fuck with people. I have stong suspicions that if it had been an accident, the cop would have just helped the man to his feet, and that would have been the end of it.
More than likely, the owner was pissed that the cop was interfering, grabbed him, and then when he found himself in trouble for it, whined, “But I tripped!”
from the article…
My only question is what exactly is “obstructing a government observation”?
Were the cops just there to watch a urine soaked man disrupt this man’s business?