I think the poll is aimed at the wrong part of the rules changes, but they are part of the problem and I will still SnuggLYpUPpY it. For what it’s worth (i.e. not much).
Agreed. there’s no reason all the snuggly puppies need to go here or in any post. As pointed out on the poll page, putting the snuggly puppy in your location field is sufficient. If the snuggly puppies get too out of hand, they might go the way of the buckeye. 
There are other banks. There are other ISPs. You may be out of luck with the school. I have changed banks and ISPs several times long before it got to the go fuck yourself level.
I just dropped in to pull the lever, but…
Rule 2 is contradictory. It’s division by zero. Giraffe’s examples show that creative insults are not going to be welcome. Terrific. What was the rule again?
sNUGglypuPPy
There would be no reason to say “fuck off” to the librarian or the police officer or the neighbor. I feel sorry for you if you have to stifle your language on those occasions. I save my “fuck offs” for racists, sexists, bullies, and people who think that references to body parts are dirty and uncivil. I save my “fuck offs” for people who do not understand semantics and linguistics and think that controlling people’s words is the “civil” thing to do.
When my grandson was about fourteen, we sat on the front steps and discussed how convenient the word fuck is when it is not used to hurt his classmates. I certainly would feel comfortable using it around the members of my family that I am the closest to and most comfortable with and that includes my grandchildren. See how you think you know things that you don’t?
Have you never felt comfortable enough with someone to say, “Fuck off! Let’s go eat”?
So I have given you several examples of times when “fuck off” is absolutely appropriate. And no one is going to tell me when the time comes to use it. Not at my age after what I have lived through. You have the right to warn me and censor me afterwords and ban me. But I’m not going against what I know about language, truth and civility.
There is something I would like to say: it is about a puppy–a cute, adorable, SnUggLypuPPy.
This poll’s vote-enabling system could’ve worked less obtrusively using PMs, I think, rather than this round-about “snUGglypUPpy” business (though perhaps it was easier to code this way?). It’s pretty clever, all the same.
Wow! That encompasses all you’ve seen from us? Now that’s what I call abusive! It’s quite insulting in its offensively dismissive attitude. It’s like we’re kindergartners whose complaints about having to take a nap simply don’t need to be taken very seriously.
By no means do all our protests and their rationale fit into those simplistic categories (a grossly oversimplified categorization that the apologists here have picked up and run with, further insulting the rest of us). Some of us have brought forth important philosophical concerns regarding the subtle and non-so-subtle damage to an entire forum (in it’s older, broader sense; i.e., not just the Pit) that inevitably results when an area that was formerly open to greater freedom of expression suddenly becomes restricted by authoritarian measures.
It seems I must now openly request that such legitimate concerns be taken much more seriously and not treated dismissively by anyone. I and the others who have raised this type of concern need not be condescendingly tutored in regards to the nature and limits of the concept of free speech or the U.S. First Amendment, but I, personally, thank those who might have been inclined to offer their assistance in this regard.
I am Spartacus…er, sNUGgLypuppy
It’s easier to do this than change my location, then change it back again. Sorry.
Cites! I got cites! Getcha cites right here!
"So uncomprehending are the… authorities of the value of swearing as a safety valve, an equilibrator of morale, an invaluable auxiliary arm, that every so often some brass-headed general or admiral proclaims that no member of the armed forces under his command shall henceforth swear. Thus, in May 1933, the commander in chief of the United States navy, Admiral R. H. Leigh… issued a dispatch directing all commanding officers to {italics mine}
‘take immediate steps to eradicate the undesirable habit of using profane and obscene language, and to take suitable disciplinary action in the case of each infraction reported.’"
Sounding familiar yet? But wait, there’s more. This boneheaded move was met with such derisive public incredulity that the New York Herald was moved to editorialise thusly:
“The holystone* has vanished, and so must now {presumably} the emphatic damning, blasting, infernal-consigning and genealogical exchanges which once relieved the spirits of seafaring fellows in moments of pique… it is still doubtful if sailors’ parrots will make suitable gifts for maiden aunts. We will have to be shown before we will believe that Sailor Bill can satisfy his outraged emotions with ‘oh, fudge’ or ‘bother it’, or gracious goodness me”
Ashley Montague, The Anatomy Of Swearing, and if you like I can quote from the same volume a similarly foolish order from George Washington himself dated July 1776, judging the efficacy of which will be left as an exercise for the reader.
Is that piquantly witty enough for you, Ed? And if you’d like a summary before you dig yourself even deeper into this morass that you’ve created, it’s that a good manager never makes rules he can’t enforce.
*Holystone: a large rectangular stone block, approximately the size and shape of a Bible {hence the name} used for scrubbing wooden decks. Don’t say I never tell you anything.
Whatever happens with this message board, can we all agree that when whoever takes over America when someone eventually takes over America and we all have to form an underground resistance movement, we use “sNUGglypuPPy” as our secret code word?
Now now. He may have just been being facetious, like he was when he said
He may also have been unclear, like when he wasn’t warning Lizard about violating the new rules before they were in place, but rather simply making information available when he said
We won’t be able to accurately determine whether there could be a chilling effect based on uncertainty about possible misunderstandings until we get a later clarifying post advising us of whether he really meant what you quoted or not.
I’m sure that anyone who posts something that it later turns out they weren’t meant to will get the same benefit of the doubt.
I don’t know where else to put this, and I didn’t want to start a new thread for a simple question.
Are self-Pits now allowed in the Pit? They weren’t before. Under the new rules, are they allowed?
The more I think about this, the more it seems to me that Ed is concerned with syntax while the opposed are concerned with semantics. It seems to me you can go ahead and call someone a dirty cunt whore, you just have to find suitable words to substitute for this. So if we all agree to SDMB approved substitutions, we should have no problem, right? For example, if you want to call someone a stupid cunt, call them a stupid cheeseburger. We can all agree upfront that cheeseburger, when used as an adjective, means the same thing as cunt. Everyone’s a winner, right!? Hello? Where did everyone go?
Although I don’t have the wordsmith skills(or the thick skin) to participate, the Pit is more interesting without the new rules. snugGLypuPpy
If Ed doesn’t want new visitors peeking in The Pit and seeing what an unwholesome bunch of reprobates inhabit that den of filth and iniquity, all he needs to do is place it below the Barn House and Chicago sections.
Hardly anyone looks that far down the front page, but all us regulars will know it is still there, as big, bad and bold as ever.
Well if it’s good enough for Muffin then it’s good enough for me…sNUGgLYPuPpY
You forgot
- Go to hell, Giraffe, you dildo.*
*I don’t really think he’s one nor am I calling him one here. He knows what I mean…so I hope it doesn’t merit a warning.
I never used the pit much, but occasionally it was nice to know that I could just go on a tear about some issue or some poster and be as satisfyingly abusive as I cared, and no one would give a second glance as long as I wasn’t insulting their intelligence.
Ed Zotti, your comments in this thread debasing, falsely portraying, and ignoring the real concerns of real, adult posters is insulting to the intelligence of the many, many posters who are genuinely concerned about your judgment and about the future of the forum they love.
You owe them an apology.
Or, if you feel revulsion at the idea that you should be serving the needs of the content creators and lifelong fans of the SDMB, rather than the other way around, I humbly request that you shut the board down now. It will end happier than will trying to make and enforce rules that exist almost entirely in your head.
Also have we had any kind of ruling yet on “Please do NOT go to hell, Giraffe, and under no circumstances are you to fuck yourself with an entrenching tool”?
Regards,
sNugGlypUpPY