Um.
This resonates about as well with me as when some antiwar posters complain that they are being “silenced” by criticism.
Sam, the December comparisons are crap and I value your contributions to this board. If you want to argue for more civility in GD, fine. But really, the tone of your OP does suggest that you are miffed because Jim Caveziel got that part you wanted. :dubious:
Election season is just warming up. It’s not going to get better.
I’ve heard that said about Carter, but Clinton? 
Dislike of the current President seems a perfectly good reason to vote for his opponent.
That’s what you claim, but the impression that I get is that you’ve simply bought into the Bush line. Bush probably couldn’t be accurately described as conservative either. He’s more a pro-war, pro-business, pro-nationalism, fiscally irresponsible type guy. Pretty much like Mussolini.
It actually does matter what you say. The reason I stuck that tag on you, and the reason it stuck, was precisely because of the things you were saying. It’s like you suddenly ceased to engage in rational debate. You repeat the same nonsense over and over, for example about how wonderfully the reconstruction is going in Iraq. Your GD posts often seem to be culled from the GOP talking points, and it doesn’t seem to matter to you that people get sick and tired of debunking the same bullshit over and over again, especially when it’s coming from a single poster. That was also the problem with december.
Here you engage in dishonest debate. Claims of “openness, understanding others, compassion, free speech” are not the sole preserve of leftists. The are things that all people on both sides should strive for.
I don’t see anyone actually preventing you from expressing your opinions. Maybe you don’t think you’re being given sufficient encouragement, or something. But the thing is, Sam, people may agree that you have a right to express your opinion (within limits), but they aren’t compelled to agree with it. And, of course, in this forum at least, they are free to tell you to shut up, fuck off or anything else the rules allow.
You poor, poor man. I knew you were a martyr for simply being conservative on this ultra-liberal left-of-Chairman-Mao message board, but you’ve been doubly martyred with thorny crown of being “decembered”. Yes, I see them setting up the rails now to run you out on, the same ones St. December was sent out on, who never broke any board rules but was banned because of his views were not quite communist enough.
Don’t forget to sand down the wood before you make your cross, you wouldn’t want to get splinters.
First, to Sam:
Can’t fight ignorance w/o ignorance to fight.
Oyez! Oyez!
Hear here!
How much worse could things be than to have a ‘big-government conservative’ in office whose WH sells out deep cover CIA WMD antiproliferation agents and supplies a member of the Axis of Evil with sensitive information that could ‘get people killed’? (Notice i didn’t mention the thwarting f the electorate’s right to deny consent through the presentation of ‘deliberately misleading’ information.)
That said, I cringe at some of the things I read here. I find Limbaugh quotes about ‘liberals’ crawling through my mind. As examples, some of the suggestions in the ‘Screw the Planet’ thread.
Bullshit. Go back to listening to NPR, you fucking hippie.
Sure, but only if you mean “One of the last conservative posters on an overwhelmingly liberal message board.”
It’s shocking that you could even make so silly of an accusation. Anyone who has read Sam Stone’s posts knows that this is far from true.
Those wise words you speak of have already been apologized for by her a couple of posts up from yours. Jackass.
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hahah…okay, now that was freakin funny!!! thanks for that one!
I think it was Elvis-what’s-his-name, that “model of objective discourse” who made the claim. It was a baseless, idiotic statement and the fact that you align yourself with that mode of thinking says a lot about your own knee-jerk partisanship.
I wouldn’t classify myself as conservative, but I do tend to disagree with what are most often considered, rightly or wrongly, to be liberal arguments. I’m using the term liberal in the way that most liberals would argue is simplistic, but I’m only speaking of simplistic liberals anyway. Liberals tend to bug me, and I’m painting broad strokes here, because they whine about those currently attempting to solve problems without offering a solution of their own. Any solutions proffered are typically the result of a sophmoric understanding of psychology, sociology, and most often, economics. They are masters of the “Appeal to X” family of fallacies and the Straw Man. What’s more, their arguments are often unnecessarily issued with venom and are typically short-sighted. They seem to lack the gift of non-linear thinking, particularly in arguments involving economics.
Of course conservatives are guilty of the same things, it just seems more prevalent among liberals. I’m basing this on having observed threads ** where I didn’t have an opinion**, but just followed the course of civility and logic. I never had an opinion on conservatives/liberals until I started reading GD. Liberals seem to hate authority (regardless of who it is) and also tend to be irrational conspiracists and perpetual victims. Has anyone ever done a study on the relative IQ’s/LSAT scores of those who deem themselves liberal vs. conservative? I’d be curious if their was a mean difference among the middle third. Liberals seem to have less a capacity for logic on the whole. Again, I realize the huge generalization.
Yes this board is probably the most left it’s been since I started in 2000, but then again we have a conservative President during a war. Also, the board has about 10% original thinkers and another 65% attempting to curry favor with the others.
One last observation is that it seems that liberals do tend to argue for solidarity rather than truth. I will often see two conservatives argue amongst themselves while collectively taking heat from liberals, but I’ve never see the reverse.
As for the media-- I think it has a liberal bias (FOX notwithstanding) for fear of appearing like a tool of propoganda for the Man rather than than actually being a tool of some evil Liberal cabal.
Don’t ask for cites and don’t bother offering cites that proves exception to anything I’ve said (except the IQ?LSAT). It’s just a general feeling from someone who doesn’t have much of an axe to grind but does have the ability to recognize good arguments from bad ones and civil discourse from uncivil.
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Look again at who wrote that.
Try reading threads before you reply to them in the future, John, you lazy, dishonest whiner.
I agree: Sam is nothing like december was. December was in a category by himself: I’ve never seen a more dishonest permanent poster in any ideological corner than him. Sam doesn’t even come close: although he sometimes phrases things in ways that I find disingenuous, I suspect he thinks the same thinga bout some of my posts.
That said, the OP was lazy and unnecessary, IMO. You can conclude nothing interesting about GD by cherrypicking thread titles.
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Wow, KidCharlemagne, that might be the most full-of-shit, piss-ignorant political post I’ve ever seen on this board. It’s nothing but stupid-ass, sweeping generalizations, completely unsupported demagoguery, false assertions, even a rectally derived statistic about “original thinkers” as opposed to those “currying favor.”
I’m not going to make any generalizations about the relative intelligence of “liberals” vs. “conservatives,” but suffice it to say that your post skews the average score for conservative Dopers quite violently towards the “moron” end of the spectrum.
A GD thread is usually one of two things, all mouths and no ears or a bunch of people beating the grass where there used to be a dead horse.
I have to say that this tactic of political debate annoys me more than just about anything. I can’t recall seeing a single thread that was started by a “Liberal” in which there were not several dissenting Conservative voices. Also, how is it that you folks get away with just making statements that are dubious (“Liberal Media” or “Liberal Academia”) as if they are irrefutable fact?
Back on topic to the OP, though, I will say a couple of things. First Sam, for what its worth, I don’t see you as having picked up december’s torch. I tend to disagree with probably 99% of your politics but find that for the most part you seem to defend and (more importantly) articulate your position.
I know that I have brought this up before, but I think that it is worth repeating. No One Is Happy Right Now. Both sides of the political spectrum as far as I can tell are engaging in equal amounts of bad faith, silencing of the opposition and general fuckery. I think that at the moment, due to Iraq and economic issues, that the Republicans may be a little more on the ropes but I will ask that you recall during the early days of the Iraq war the way that we (the Loyal Opposition) were treated by the folks in favor of the war. Dismissed, mocked and questioned about our patriotism.
We are all at fault here, and things are going to get a whole lot uglier unless we can find some common ground. We all want a safe and prosperous place to live, that is the important thing. The disagreements that we have on how to get there should be a matter of honest intellectual debate.
Glad you thought so. You’re the poster boy for point.
Tell me about it. Last week I started a thread titled, “Does every child deserve a mother and a father?” The consensus was that it is perfectly O.K. for a woman to purposely see to it that a child did not have a father. Next thing you know, fathers and mothers will be optional. I was so disgusted at the responses that I never even followed up. Figured it was a lost cause.
You’re one whiny bitch, Sam Stone.
Who the fuck is stopping Bush cheerleaders such as yourself from opening any threads on any particular topic you feel favors the Administration? Could it be that there aren’t many (any) to be found?
The way I see it, there couldn’t be possibly be enough threads reminding everyone what an outright disaster BushCo is. Lying, murdering, thieving son of bitches that they are, they’ve managed to con half of America to support their absurd agenda. Including most news sources – up until recently that is. For what you’re seeing on the SDMB is only a reflection of the general awakening of the media. Seems like almost daily new information comes out that was previously supressed and/or censored by the neo-con brat pack – thus the proliferation of threads echoing those sources.
And its not just the press, or perhaps you’ve missed the number of conservatives and military personalities that have recently come out with guns blasting? Guess what, the whole clusterfuck is coming to a head – and not a minute too soon.
Hey! Dumbya himself wanted it that way. Remember the infamous “with us or against us” bluster? Well, ideologes such as yourself non-withstanding, the “with us” side is losing steam faster than a pricked B-day balloon.
You, OTOH, can either climb off the cross you’ve so righteously decided to climb on, or keep your finger on the dike hoping against hope that you can stem the tidal wave. But being a whiny bitch ain’t gonna help your cause any.
Payback’s a bitch. Deal with it.
So what you’re saying is that your not even smart enough to originate stupid statements, you just parot them when you see them… Anyway, this is the type of crap I was talking about, from this thread in GD: