This is one I’d like clarified in regards to posting something negative in a thread about a dead celeb.
E.g., I really, really wanted to point out some points about Barbara Bush when she died, but the thread was all (baffling) glowing glurge. Some counterpoints are really needed sometimes, esp. with regard to someone like her.
After reading the entire thread, I’m reversing my opinion.
If someone put their pus around me I’d think it definitely out of line.
Why not open a Pit Thread for that purpose? If you think about a situation IRL, if a bunch of people were discussion someone who recently passed and sharing their memories about that person, would you think it was a good idea to jump in and tell them how awful that person really was?
Which is also part of what I said.
Emiliana seems to disagree.
Do we want the rule to be: Don’t threadshit in RIP threads unless you claim to have a personal reason for doing so. And if you do make that claim, feel free to offer other negative comments like:
Harlan Ellison died?
Wait, he was still alive?
A: I don’t do the Pit.
B: People post quite negative things about famous people all the time in other forums, why should such comments be limited to the Pit?
C: Why start a new thread at all? People post good and bad things about living people all the time. Why should the recently deceased be excluded?
I wouldn’t go into a thread about Gilligan’s Island to describe how much I disliked the comedy, but I might mention in a thread about the Cosby Show that a certain actor’s behavior made it hard for me to enjoy the show any more. And when Cosby dies, I sure as hell hope the death thread doesn’t have “no mentioning his rapes” rules appended to it.
It’s not threadshitting.
Death finally got up the nerve to confront him.
Posting the good and bad about someone in a memorial thread has been allowed on and off in this boards history. It has depended on the Moderator in question over the years but it’s generally been allowed. It’s certainly not threadshitting to give your opinion on the person especially if their behavior was egregious.
If the thread was “what is your favorite Ellison book?”, I would agree. That’s not what this is.
That said, I don’t disagree with Chronos’s moderation. He allowed for criticism so long as it’s within the general rules for the forum.
That’s a problem you have created for yourself and not something the board needs to adjust itself to.
No, that’s saying that the only place to criticize a deceased public figure is the Pit. That’s far too restrictive. If a public figure dies and I want to comment on that person’s negatives in the thread discussing his/her life, why not, in the general discussion? You shouldn’t have to go to a separate forum to comment on the negatives; that’s not fighting ignorance.
No, it’s not saying that. It’s saying that under the very narrow situation where the thread is an “RIP thread”, don’t be a jerk by coming into that thread to take a crap. If we are discussing the evils of slavery in GD, there is nothing stopping me from criticizing George Washington for being a slaveholder.
It’s not a “general discussion”. It’s an RIP thread. The overriding rule on this MB is don’t be a jerk. There are no GET OUT OF JAIL FREE cards for being a jerk, no matter what you are doing otherwise.
Ok, now I’m confused.
Is it, “an obituary” or “a obituary”?
So when Charles Manson died, the only posts permitted in his RIP were praising him for his family values? We’re not allowed to say that “Rest in Peace, Charles” was in itself a horrible abomination? Just kitties and unicorns in MPSIMS.
Bill Cosby is another example, mentioned upthread.
When he shuffles off this mortal coil, can I start an RIP thread that says how much I enjoyed his comedy records, and his two different shows, because they all brought me a lot of pleasure at the time (which they did), but then if the next post is “but he was a rapist!”, it’s out of line and warrants moderation?
Just putting “RIP” in the title doesn’t exclude the truth from being said about the deceased.
Of course not. An obituary on a message board is to discuss their life; good and bad. You just can’t be a jerk when doing so. You can say that Ellison was an ass. You can’t say that anyone who supports him is an ass. That’s how it’s generally always been here. An honest evaluation of the life of a celebrity it completely fair game and not at all threadshitting.