Pitting SayTwo

I already said, if religion is going to be a major portion of your sessions, it is a perfectly reasonable preference. The reverse, you have an extreme aversion to religion would be similar, I suppose. I would think there’s some job differentiation between a personal therapist and a spiritual counselor and some therapist bringing up your relationship with god would be completely fucked.up if that’s not explicitly what they advertise.

FTR, that is exactly how I did think of it and why it’s wrong. I am an atheist but I don’t think there is a fundamental difference between me and a devout religious person, in general. Devout religious people do bad stuff and good stuff like me. They just have a slightly different justification scheme. I think it’s good to be good to my fellow man, they think god wants them to be good to their fellow man

I guess I need to weigh in here.

This is simply an untrue statement. It should be withdrawn and the false statement apologized for.

He did and does think that the behavior of some Orthodox Jews that my wife describes, that I passed on, is bigoted. And I can understand why some could think that. I do not. The key to why is the word I used in trying to explain it: that some Orthodox consider secular Jews apostates.

An apostate is someone who has rejected, or at least abandoned, the beliefs, the beliefs that are perhaps the core of an Orthodox Jew’s identity.

Someone who has, from your POV, not rejected your most important beliefs would be preferred. A Christian, religious or secular, a non-Jewish atheist even, who meets the criteria required to be a righteous Gentile from their perspective (merely the Noahide Laws) is easier to develop a therapeutic alliance with. Even if religion per se is not a major subject for therapy.

Thank you. I knew you disagreed with my assessment but the idea that I twisted/misquoted you was quite ridiculous.

I still don’t see the religious bigotry you’re accusing HMS of. It sounds more like you have a grudge against them and you’re desperate for something to find fault with. So far you don’t seem to have too many supporters.

Read Dseid’s post above.

Eta: oh wait, different issue. I didn’t say HMS was being religiously bigoted. Where do you think I said that? I said the part of Dseid’s post that he thought validated his opinion was based on bigotry.

Well, when you said HMS was a nutjob, I assumed they were the object of your scorn. You seem to have reconciled with DSeid, so I’ll respectfully bow out.

There was nothing to reconcile from.

@BigT made shit up.

He’s the one who went off on me. I’m the object of his scorn, that made him look like a nutjob.

So this would be closer to “Is it okay to fire my therapist because they had an affair with their receptionist and left their spouse and three kids?” The issue is that you feel like they did something really wrong, and it gets in the way of the therapeutic relationship.

I think it’s akin to thinking them a traitor.

Not to my read. It is not based on disapproval.

Not sure how better to explain why going to an apostate of your faith is harder than going to someone else. They have, from that POV, rejected your core beliefs. Others never did. Oh as a secular Jew I and my wife are also disapproved of more, have sinned, but that is not why.

I have it on good authority that SayWhat? is a professional twit. Funny thing is, even though he thinks this is all a big joke he’s working from home. My thought is: can’t professional twits always just work from home? What’s in their meatspace offices that offers higher quality twittness than mom’s basement?

No reason to be blaming this on an innocent mother (or basement). Some of my best friend’s are basements or mothers. I’m one of those two.

If he’s a paid troll. Otherwise, he’s just an amateur. With the volume of crap he’s spewing, he’s either unemployed or his job is paying him while he goofs around on the internets. He might have to live in mom’s basement if he gets fired.

Cinderella’s Fairy godmother was not kind to you too uh? :slight_smile:

You should do an “ask me anything” thread, I’m curious about the philosophical musings of basements.

Yes, Ask the Basement has a nice ring to it.

Same here. You’re allowed to have preferences for the sort of religious outlook you want in a spouse, or a best friend, or a spiritual advisor, or a therapist, without being a religious bigot. It’s not automatically bigotry if a religious Jew doesn’t feel comfortable with a secular Jew (or a Christian with a Muslim, or a Buddhist with a Hindu, or whatever) in a role of such intimate communication.

Yep, it might be a bit like the way talking to a stranger about your family matters is sometimes easier than talking to a relative who’s estranged from your family. You and the “exile” have more of a background in common than you and the stranger, but it comes with some negative baggage from the past that can make honest discussion feel awkward.