It’s a candy mint, goddammit! Always was a candy mint, always will be. Anybody who can’t see that doesn’t have the good sense God gave a goose! I mean, Jesus, its so fucking obvious. Breath mint my ass, fart-yodeler!
Goodness, Weirddave, I’m shocked that you would think that. Is it some sort of a requirement for admission to the Republican Party that you can’t tell the difference between 80% and 54%, or 66%, or 67%? Because 54%, 66%, and 67% are the numbers shown in the polls that were taken while the IMHO thread was active, and 80% is the number that Debaser falsely claimed.
Republican math. Feh.
Beats the hell out of me, I’ve never been a Republican and generally detest most of the 'pubbies I’ve met.
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Really now. You call me names because of your failure to answer a simple question, pretending I’m an obtuse idiot because you answer a different question than the one I asked. This inclines me to beleive you’re being disingenuous with this blatant falsehood.
I don’t like it when people falsely attribute arguments to me so they can beat up strawmen.
If you’re only equipped to have an argument with an idiot, please leave me alone. I think it’s reasonable to expect that you will addres what I actually say instead of making things up.
I did not say that my beef with Kerry was because he lacked substance.
What I actually said was (and I quote myself from page 2 and 3.
“I think the attacks and demonization have become the main tactic of the left in general.”
Which is what started it.
Then I asked:
“What is the message of the Democratic Presidential candidates?”
Then I said:
“As far as I can tell, kerry’s main message seems to be that Bush sucks.”
From the beginning my very clear thesis has been that Demonization of Bush is the central message of the democratic candidates in general, and Kerry in particular.
I have acknowledged that he actually has stances, though some are boilerplate.
I have constantly made, what is a simple and valid point. That is, that John Kerry’s central message, the thing he says over and over, what he holds in front is “Bush sucks,” and “I’m a Vietnam Veteran.”
For you to pretend that the central message of a presidential candidate doesn’t matter, or is bullshit, is asinine.
This is what he’s showing people. This is what he’s putting out.
The central message of a campaign is extrememly important, and it’s ridiuculous for you to pretend otherwise.
Now I’m hoping that you’ll have the grace to acknowledge that you misconstrued my posts and concede what is an obvious and minor point rather than go on and aggressively call me names, and play games. It’s obviously not bullshit, or you wouldn’t have been going to such effort to sidestep it, and when that fails, ridicule me.
I think it’s poor behavior in lieu of rational discussion, and, I’m disinclined to let it pass.
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That’s nice, but it’s not what I’m arguing . You’re beating on a strawman.
You’re insulting me over things you’ve made up. What does that make you?
Kerry’s haircut SUCKS.
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Ok.
Fair question. Let me get to it at the end.
I guess at this stage in our discussion a “fuck you.” is obligatory.
Ok. Now for your fair question.
Of course, it’s ok that you think I’m a racist. It’s not like I can beat you over the head with a stick to force you to change your judgement.
You will do well, or poorly by the quality of your judgements. It has little to do with me. It’s your judgement. You’re entitled to it, and I can’t change it.
So it’s ok. Believe what you want to believe.
Frankly, I don’t care. I don’t think you “got it,” when you read what I wrote, and instead of bothering to clarify things or ask questions you just started calling me a bigot or a racist.
I think this is a bad way to go about things. I think it also demonstrates an individual instance of such poor judgement that I don’t need to worry about it. This goes doubly because you’re pretty much the only person that it saw it the way you did.
We’ve had unpleasantness before, so I assume that that has colored your opinions and led you to such poor judgement. Such things are not uncommon, and really, without insult, it’s your problem, not mine.
It only becomes my problem when you try to come after me with it in a thread that’s totally unrelated to the subject.
IMO, you’re disagreement with me belongs in that other thread. You shouldn’t introduce it here without cause. What is it going to help? How will it be constructive? Where are you going with it? Are you going to insert that I wrote a grandfather story that labels me in your mind as a bigot in every thread that we disagree?
It seems kind of silly.
Why not leave it there?
You don’t have to. That’s just a suggestion. I’ll give you another. If it’s still an issue for you and you want to hash it out, please feel free to start a pit thread about it, and make your case.
I will look at what you say, and I will respons appropriately. If you just come after my ass with insults, and pronouncements of guilt, I think you’ll get beat up pretty bad.
If you make rational arguments, criticisms and such, I give you my word that it will not be I who escalates things.
But if you don’t want to do it, than I think it’s proper that you let it drop and not bring it up as a hijack every time.
So to answer your question, you can have your opinion, but if you’re going to bring up old hat and hijack a discussion every time we disagree it’s gonna earn a “fuck you.” Not because it’s your opinion, but because it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
I hope that answers your question to your satisfaction.
See, I knew I should have pre-empted this nonsense, but I wanted to be brief. In short, my comments to you here were solely about what you have said here, which, again has been nothing but crap. I brought up history twice, once when you attacked me by saying that you’ve always found me to be an asshole, and a second time when spooje asked whether there was history behind my posts here.
But to claim that I have attacked you for your racism in this thread is more bullshit. I attacked you for whining about the mistreatment of conservatives here. I attacked you for wussing out on your offer to test your hypothesis. I attacked you for being a dick and dropping the f-bomb. Whining that I attacked you for your racism is merely more deception (and whining). I challenge you to find anywhere in this thread apart from the two occasions where you and spooje brought up history that I have even mentioned your racism here. Please do not back out of this challenge. Please reconcile your statement above with the record of this thread.
BTW, my recollection is that I did ask questions about your racist story first. … Okay, I checked it out here. My first post does ask questions, and lays out my feelings as to why the story is racist. However, I did also include one inflammatory line in reference to other posters who shed tears over it. That was not productive.
Actually, my comment was meant for Debaser. He was the one who brought up the “the polls say…” stuff. You snuck your post in between his and mine.
Sorry I wasn’t clear. But when am I ever clear?
I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.
No sweat, spooje.
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I’ve noticed that it usually works that way.
Your first and second senteces are mutually exclusive.
If it was solely about what I said here than how did you bring up history twice?
Twice is plenty to prove my point. And since we’re actually having a substantive discussion of some kind I would sincerely appreciate it if you did not mischaracterize my arguments.
I did not say that I’ve always found you to be an asshole.
What I actually said was:
“I suspect this because you have a history of being a difficult asshole.”
There’s a difference.
Your words from page 2 "I challenged the emperor’s clothes in a nasty little piece of racist vitriol that you wrote in homage to your grandfather, furthering my lovely image of you."
and from page 4 "I also found his treatise on racism in the context of the persecution of his grandfather to be highly offensive and nothing more than racism itself, with a little sheet on. "
You’ve acknowledged these two incidents just in this post. Do you really not consider this to be “attacking me for racism?”
I mean seriously, do you think that it’s bullshit that I construe from this that you’re calling me a racist?
If you are unable to see that you’re calling me a racist in those two quotes, and if you are unable to see how that constitutes an attack, than I’m at a loss for how I’m actually going to communicate with me.
If you don’t see it, we’re not inhabiting the same reality.
I didn’t wuss out. I said that you had a history of being an asshole and that I would make the effort to prove my contention if you promised you were being sincere.
I told you that I wouldn’t do it unless you were willing to prove your sincerity.
You admitted you were being facetious. Therefore, I didn’t do it.
I did exactly what I said I would. Perhaps this is “wussing out” in the alternate reality you inhabit. It’s not in mine.
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I challenge you to find anywhere in this thread apart from the two occasions where you and spooje brought up history that I have even mentioned your racism here. Please do not back out of this challenge. Please reconcile your statement above with the record of this thread. {/quote]
Heh. I guess I’m going to be “wussing out” of this challenge, as well.
I said you did it, and you’ve conceded that there were two instances. Why on earth would I need more than two.
It’s like saying “I’m not a axe murder. I’ve only killed two people with axes in this county. I challenge you to find anybody else that I’ve murdered with an axe… in this county.”
I don’t think the point you are making is going to do you a lot of good, but hey, no problem.
I will readily and happily concede that you only accused me of racism twice in this thread.
(I’m feeling like this is a big win for me, since I only recalled you doing it once. Thanks for reminding me about the second time.)
Now, on a seperate note, I do seem to recall that you went to the trouble to accuse me of racism because of the grandfather thread in yet another thread in GD shortly after the MPSIMS thread you link below.
It might have been Aceospades. I don’t really recall and I’m not going searching so no more challenges, please.
Doubtless, you will remember, if I’m correct and it was you.
I too would characterize your presence there as unproductive.
Now, I’ll suggest again another thread if you want to continue on the subject of my supposed racism.
Hopefully you can see why I’m conselling you against calling me a racist in threads unrelated to the topic.
You are free to do what you want. I however find it a false, and ugly smear to shore up your own behavior. I won’t let it stand, and we end up doing this.
Do you find this fun, or would you rather be debating something meaningful?
Scylla, why’d you have to write half a page of text when you could have just said “You were right Hentor, I didn’t find one single time that you brought up my racism outside of being asked about history”? That’s much easier.
I like it fine the way it is (except the coding errors.)