I thought I might be teaming up with some stranger but apparently not.
So I observed what might be the dumbest final 5 screwup ever.
I’m enjoying it but I’ve been getting lag issues and also been killed on more than one occasion by someone who couldn’t possibly be able to make the shot.
I haven’t encountered any situations yet where I felt like I was facing a hacker. Of course it’s hard to tell sometimes - if you get suddenly headshot and you don’t know where it came from, how would you know? But I’ve not encountered anything suspicious. What do you mean when you say they couldn’t possibly have made the shot?
We’re currently on a 5 game win streak in squads.
No-one around for a huge distance, no cover, then a burst of automatic weapons fire, I’m dead.
Or I’ll get hit by a single shot from an AK-47 from a house thats well over 100m away and die in one go.
Or I’ll get run over by someone who couldn’t possibly have known I was in a building and about to open the door to come outside just as they come past.
Or I’ll unload an entire magazine into someone at point-blank range and they don’t die.
Stuff like that.
What do you think is going on here? Do you think there’s an invisibility hack or something? It sounds like someone was hiding, you weren’t aware of them, and they killed you.
This is pretty common. Do you think headshots at 100-200m are so hard the require a hacker? I pull that off regularly and I’m not particularly good.
I’m a little confused by this one. You know the car is coming on a path that’s about to run right outside the door, and you open the door and hop out that way anyway?
Do you have a way of recording stuff like shadowplay or the AMD equivelant? Go back and watch in slow motion and see how many rounds of yours actually hit to see if something unusual happened here. I’ve been there myself - it can feel like you must’ve shot a guy 12 times, but if you actually go back and watch it turns out that there were many fewer hits than you thought you had.
To be honest, I know a lot of guys who think anything they didn’t seem coming is unfair and they vastly overestimate the number of hackers out there and you sound a lot like them. I think you’re attributing totally normal things to hacking rather than a lack of awareness.
These things have been encountered in group play with other members of my squad too; it’s not just me. But hey, heaven forbid you just say “Fair enough, Martini, we’ve had different experiences”. Noooooo, once it again it has to turn into how I’m wrong. Mate, it gets tiring.
I don’t even know what you’re referring to. You haven’t struck me as someone worth remembering, so I have no idea what conflicts we’ve had in the past or what I’ve said you were wrong about.
You’re trying to paint the game as having a hacker problem, which is well outside of my experience, which is very likely higher rank (and therefore more likely to have hackers) and longer than yours. Your evidence for this hacker problem is totally routine stuff that you would expect to happen to everyone. I mean, “someone I didn’t know was there shot me” or “someone headshot me from moderate distance away” - clearly the work of hackers! Really? You might falsely influence other people in this thread to think there’s a problem when there isn’t, so it deserves a response.
There are a lot of players who like to make up excuses as to why their failures were never their fault. This game is especially difficult for those players, because you would expect to be caught off guard and killed by people you weren’t aware of, and the frustration of dying after having spent time running around finding loot is much greater than a game where you just respawn instantly without any real costs. So to those sorts of players, this game is basically one that’s going to constantly trigger their “bullshit! that guy hacks!” response.
I also check out the pubg reddit a lot, and there are almost no videos or accusations of hacking. Maybe it’s there, but if it actually were the sort of problem you suggest it was, it would be much more documented and bitched about. So between my 200 hours in the game, a lack of discussion/proof about it in discussions of the game, and the fact that there are a whole lot of people out there who sees a phantom hacker in every surprise death, especially when your examples of your perception of these hackers are easily explained by totally routine non-hacking play, I would suggest that we haven’t simply had different experiences, but that you’re wrong in assuming hacking is what killed you at least 90% of the time.
Feel free to prove me wrong. Retroactive video recording tools are ubiquitous. Your proof would definitely provoke some discussion here and on the reddit.
Mate, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you. Again, the correct response is “Interesting, we’ve had different experiences.” The end.
You’re not the Lord Arbiter Of Gaming on the SDMB. Other people are allowed opinions and views on games which don’t match up with yours. You don’t need to start arguments over it and basically say “Git Gud” if anyone posits a different experience to one you’ve had.
I’m not saying “git gud” or anything of the sort. That’s not the sort of thing I’d say.
I’m telling everyone else who might be reading this thread thinking that the game has a hacker problem that you’re simply wrong, and proposing an alternate explanation than a hacking problem as to why you have that impression.
But if these obvious hacking incidents happen to you all the time, why not post some video?
I don’t record any games I play, for a start. And I’m not about to start just to prove a point to someone on a messageboard.
Ah, that’s the brilliance of it. You don’t have to record anything specifically. You leave it running in a loop in the background so that after something happens, you then retroactively record the last few minutes (or whatever you set it at). So you don’t have to anticipate ahead of time that someting is going to happen, you can wait until it does and record it.
Shadowplay for Nvidia and I think it’s still Raptr for AMD both serve this function, and both are basically free with no performance hit.
Since these things apparently happen to you all the time, and it’s clearly the result of hacking, it shouldn’t take long to have pretty solid evidence of your claims. You’re not just “proving a point to someone on a message board”, you’re backing up your accusation that a game and community is full of hackers. Have you no interest in providing objective evidence when you malign something?
Or I can not, because I don’t and that’s not how I game.
Well then your behavior will continue to be consistent with what I described. I offered an easy and objective way to demonstrate otherwise, but such a demonstration doesn’t interest you for obvious reasons.
Because I play games differently to you, in a way that doesn’t involve recording them (I don’t have Shadowplay or anything like that installed) and am not about to start just so I can win an argument with someone on the internet?
Then don’t make claims you cannot substantiate. I’ve played pubg a LOT and have seen no hacking. Lag? Sure. Rubber banding? Yep. Desync? Oh yeah. Players with simply far better twitch response than me? Every freaking day.
What’s the saying: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You are claiming hacking when the vast preponderance of the evidence suggests it is otherwise. There are simple and easy tools to prove your point yet you absolutely refuse to use them. I don’t see how this conversation can continue.
Not me (I don’t play) but here’s a clip someone did from a stream I watched last night–the streamer thought he should have killed the guy, but looking closer at the shots, they mostly missed.
Yeah, that’s a good example. Most people would be pretty sure that something funky happened there, but if you look at the center of the guy’s cursor it’s off to the left of the target’s shoulders and you can see the bullet impacts hitting behind him on the wall. I can’t do the video in slowmo, but it looks like the center reticle never actually covers the target’s body, just their backpack a little bit. A certain type of player would definitely be quick to condemn that as some sort of hack I think. I
So I finally had a situation in which my pistol saved the day. The very first time I’ve ever relied on a pistol except when it’s the first thing I got when landing in a hostile area.
The 5th circle was around Pochinki and we had to rush in to get a place in the city. We got out of our jeep, headed in, and took fire from 3 seperate directions. Some guys shot us as we got out, another set of guys shot us through the first story windows as we came in, downing one of us, and we ran upstairs and a 2-3 guys from the adjacent buildings opened up full auto on the big window overlooking the top of the stairs and instantly downed the other 2 teammates. So now I’m in a building, all 3 of my teammates bleeding to death, and I’m taking fire from 3 directions.
I got the two upstairs guys to crawl into a side room with me. One of the groups that had been firing at us decided to come finish us off - they ran up the stairs. I had a scar with about 75 rounds, a 98K, and a pistol. I managed to down the first 2 guys with the scar but used up the ammo in the process. I took about 90% damage, retreated into the side room while the remaining assaulter took cover in the other side room. I used my downed friends as lookouts - they were going to tell me where he was going, and he cowered in the corner long enough for me to get off a medkit. But I had 0 rounds left in the scar and didn’t want to go charging at him with a 98k, so I whipped out my 1911 and got him. I was able to save 2 teammates from what might’ve been the hardest we’ve ever been attacked.
So that’d make a pretty awesome video, right? Yes, of course it would. Unfortunately when I had gone to change the shadowplay record time from 30 seconds to 5 minutes, I forgot to flip it back on. So none of it got recorded.
In any case, the three of us that survived healed up and proceeded to move rather cleverly through the rest of the game and eventually won it, giving us a 6th straight squad win.
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve come across many, or even any, hackers. Part of it is understanding just how far people can shoot - 100m is nothing in this game with proper equipment). Part of it is luck - bullet spreads are far, but it only takes one or two lucky shots to down someone. And part of it is that the game is just janky as fuck. Compare where your shots go between third person hip-firing and first-person at close targets and you’ll see that the crosshair lies. Or try the same while shooting from a window or behind a short wall and see how it looks like your shots should go over the obstruction but instead fly right into it. First person helps but given that the game was originally designed for third person it’s still problematic.