You could always counter with good news of donations pouring in.
Countering unsubstantiated claims with other unsubstantiated claims is not a good idea.
Really? You’re "completely baffled that anyone would think for a second" that it was terrorist related? In a major city ridden :dubious:with racial and religious strife? That’s a pretty naive stance to take (but what do I know, I’m just one of your mind baffling morons).
My first thought (after the initial shock and sadness)was " god, please don’t let it turn out to be an act of terrorism" followed by “please don’t let people assume it was and start hurting innocent people”. I’m just glad that it did turn out to be an accident.
That, and there’s an undercurrent of opinion that muslims all secretly wish for the downfall of the Christian west. Even if the Notre Dame fire wasn’t a terrorist act, and there’s of course no reason to think it was, muslims would cheer the destruction of such an icon of western oppression, or so, I guess, the thinking goes.
I was worried it was someone from the Yellow Vest movement, since Macron was set to give a speech about those protests later that day. They’ve committed vandalism and arson recently after all, and the timing was suspicious. Luckily that doesn’t seem to be the case.
It never occurred to me that it might be so-called Islamic terrorism (inspired by ISIS or whatever), probably because on the occasions that has occurred (in France or elsewhere) there were people targeted directly. Generally they want to kill people to spread terror. Just setting a building on fire seems really uncharacteristic.
Muslim extremists have not attacked Christianity, that I know of. They attacked the United States because of their opinions of our foreign policy. Not saying they’re right, just that it had nothing to do with “our” religion. They attacked Charlie Hebdo because of their opinion of the depiction of Mohammad. But they have not attacked Christianity. Unless I’m missing something, which is of course possible.
Maybe I went to the wrong restaurants but I concur - I certainly didn’t have bad service. 
It was a joke playing on stereotypes. The muslim guy is a terrorist and the french waiters are rude.
If you are talking about major terrorist attacks in the West maybe. ISIS and other extremist groups have certainly slaughtered Christians and other religious minorities in territory they control because of their religion.
There are plenty of examples of Islamic terrorists targeting Christians (you can find examples of the converse as well if you look) that have nothing to do with the US. It’s trivially easy to find them. I don’t think this has anything to do with the Notre Dame Cathedral burning down though.
This is not a description of Paris that I recognize, particularly compared with any other major city.
So what if they did? Chances are there were probably a bunch fucking too. Just try and debunk that.
I was under the impression that there is an immigration problem and much anti Muslim sentiment among some of the natives. Am I confusing it with some other locale? Goodness knows, there’s plenty of unrest to go around almost anywhere you look
I’m not baffled by the concept of terrorism in Paris. Hell, when I was told the church was burning, my mind immediately went there. But then I caught myself a second later, and then I used my brain.
It hadn’t even occurred to me that it might be deliberate, since I knew restoration was in progress. I even said to the wife, “Shit - someone left something plugged in again.”
You can, literally, see the scaffolding in the pictures they were taking as the fire was raging. Geeze folks, seriously…the highest probability for why the fire started is right there in front of you. Sure, if they find evidence that it was deliberate then take the investigation that way, but as a first reaction, the fact we know renovations were going on (you know, with grinders, power tools, probably old, dry building materials as well as paint and myriad other flammable things) and we know that this wouldn’t be the first time a fire started during renovation construction at a building site. It’s not even the 100th. Probably not even the 1000th. :smack:
I did not say that it had anything to do with the fire. I was answering a poster who claimed that Muslims have not targeted Christians in the past.
I agree. As soon as I saw the scaffolding and heard it was under renovation that was my immediate thought. I’ve seen it happen in many buildings personally and they didn’t have wood that was 900 years old.
It wasn’t supposed to be a criticism of you. Sorry it was unclear, I was agreeing with you and mostly just using your post as a starting point for my own comment. It IS trivially easy to find examples as you provided that show Islamic terrorists targeting Christians (and fellow Muslims, and Hindu’s and Jews and lots of others), so not sure how that poster you were replying to has missed it. But in this case it doesn’t seem the most likely possibility, at least based on what we know so far. It IS possible, but there are other, more probable things that are more likely to have been the cause.
That, plus the fact that it started on a random week evening (rather than, say, during a packed Mass, or during the hours the cathedral is open to tourists), plus the fact that nothing exploded, plus the fact that the fire started in a place not accessible to the public, plus the fact that not many people actually knew the entire roof was a giant pile of matchsticks because believe it or not gothic architecture isn’t exactly prime time TV material or taught in schools, plus the fact that nobody came forward to claim the deed, plus the fact that the department of historical monuments has been woefully underfunded for decades and nothing is up to code anywhere and the last time anybody did any work on N-D’s roof was in fricking 1930… You get the idea. There are hundreds of reasons to expect it was a stupid accident and not a single one pointing to terrorism, much less Muslim terrorism specifically.
Occam’s razor tells me that the people trying to push the narrative that Muslims burned down [del]the Reichstag[/del]Notre-Dame maaaaaybe have an agenda, and mayyyybe they don’t care about facts.
As did mine; that’s why I wasn’t sure why I was being labelled a moron I personally had no idea the building was under construction and even if I had known, in this day and age it’s a sad fact that many peoples’ first, split second thought goes to man-made evil.
I will agree those who not only assume terrorism to be the case, but start talking about like it’s a fact, or worse, continue to hold onto that theory even after the facts have been discovered, are indeed morons.