Poll For Straight Women

It wouldn’t matter to me. I agree with betenoir, Aesiron, and sjc (and, on preview, Manda JO has a good point, too) – in fact, it frustrates me to see that there is still so much ignorance and prejudice regarding issues like this. I’ve responded to online personals where the man identified as bisexual: I see it as no different from identifying as straight, and I wouldn’t be any more or less careful about sleeping with him than I would with a straight man.

Of course there are some gay men who identify as bisexual to kind of ease themselves out of the closet. I’ve known a few, and am the daughter of one. But I also believe that true bisexuality exists, because I’ve known a few of them, too. I’ve found that the older the man is, the more accurate his self-identification becomes: I run into far fewer men in their 40s who are just calling themselves bisexual as a stop on the way to homosexuality than I did when I was dating men in their 20s. And a truly bisexual person is no more or less likely to be monogmous than anyone else – I reject the idea that a bisexual man will crave the cock that I can’t provide to the point where he would just have to go fuck a man or three. If people were only their sexual urges there would be no monogomy, period. But, of course, being bisexual doesn’t automatically make a guy a saint, either: the point is that he’s a person, not a sexual orientation.

Very good point, Manda Jo.

Which leads me to consider the possibility that, after 5 years of online dating off and on, I’ve gotten to where I screen men the quick and dirty way. After you, you’ve got several pages with hundreds of potential mates- you do pretty much end up contacting or responding to people using these criteria, much like the Red Cross system. Bisexuality isn’t within my parameters, and while I enjoy opening my mind and growing as a person, I just don’t think I’ll ever see it as a choice for myself.

And Misnomer, I would respectfully submit that not having the same parameters for a mate does not automatically involve ignorance or prejudice. Just different strokes for different folks. I wouldn’t disparage anyone who would date a bisexual man, I don’t think it’s wrong for them, just wrong for me because I wouldn’t be comfortable with it. If others are comfortable with it, that’s cool with me.

On second read, maybe you weren’t addressing me, but rather the people whose concerns involved monogamy or closeted gays. If so, carry on.

So if you met a guy who was the friend of someone you met through on-line dating, and over the course of several conversations you came to really like, admire, and feel attracted to him, and that friendship outlasted the two weeks you dated his friend, 'cause neither of you really felt much attraction, and then this guy, before you have sex with him, in one of those late-night-all-night conversations that are part of the courting process, told you that he’d had two serious girlfriends, and in between them, one serious boyfriend, you’d call it quits then?

I can see using quick and dirty screening methods for on-line dating. But it seems like a waste to use such things to unilaterally squash relationships that grow up organically.

I’d have to say I would put the kibosh on it, Manda Jo. As far as what others do, I’m very liberal and free-thinking. When it comes to my own lifestyle, however, I’m pretty conservative. I really doubt that I would even find a bisexual man attractive after he told me. I wouldn’t look down on him or think of him as a second-class citizen, but I can’t force myself to want to date a bisexual man because it’s more politically correct or other people might think I’m prejudiced. I would never be comfortable in that relationship and I know it, so why start it?

Fair enough. I guess in my mind, finding someone you really connect with is so rare, so precious, that there shouldn’t be any automatic disqualifiers: everything should be specific to an individual.

But attraction has nothing to do with fairness, and if there is no attraction, there just isn’t.

While I don’t have a problem with dating bisexual men, I’d have a problem with the particular person you corresponded with, but only because his profile listed him as “straight.” If someone is going to be dishonest with me about their sexual orientation, then it’s not someone I want to have a relationship with.

Well, now it sounds like I wouldn’t date a bisexual man not because of the risk factors involved, but because I just don’t find them attractive. What I meant to convey was that any attraction I felt would be overshadowed by the concerns I would have, and would thus be lessened considerably.
And yes, I didn’t think his fudging on his orientation was very cool.

Well, I was mostly addressing those with monogamy/closet worries, but I do think your continued insistence that there is a significantly higher "risK’ associated with bisexuals is borne of ignorance. It would be “different strokes” if you just didn’t understand people who sleep with both men and women, or if your history showed that you simply tend to find bisexuals unattractive, but what you’re saying is tantamount to “I screen out Asian guys because they’re going to be better at math than me.”

You and I have butted heads about our attitudes towards dating in the past: with that in mind I avoided addressing you specifically at first, because I’m not trying to pick a fight with you in every dating thread that comes up, but I won’t pretend that what I see as ignorance/prejudice is really just a difference of opinion. I may be wrong in my perception, but in a situation like this I just have to call things as I see them. (And, I’ll admit, LGBT issues are something of a button for me: I have a hard time staying out of such conversations.)

I would do it. There are risks to sleeping with anyone. I, of course, would take the same precautions when having a sexual relationship that I would with any guy, bi or straight.

Well, I wouldn’t say that. In fact, I’d say that people who insist there is no more risk for HIV by having sex with a bisexual man than there is with a heterosexual man are offering up certain facts as a sacrifice to the gods of political correctness.

Worse yet, the report states that “most young gay and bisexual men with HIV are unaware that they are infected.”

Certainly, anyone is entitled to have sex with whomever they like. But to ignore certain truths just to appear tolerant is worse than ignorant, it’s intentional ignorance. I’m not that cavalier with my health. To judge anyone who is cautious about their sexual activity as ignorant and prejudicial is ridiculous and smacks of a witch hunt.

It seems cavalier to suggest you’d sleep with a straight guy just because he’s statistically less risky than a bi guy, somehow.

Everyone has different levels of comfort regarding risk, of course. Some wait for two independant labs to verify bloodwork before going to bed with an Amish virgin, some hookup and pray, most of us fall somewhere in between.

My attitude towards safety with a new guy, learning the history and condom required, wouldn’t change because statistically he falls into a slightly higher risk category than others. People who sleep around a lot are going to be higher risk than those that don’t, regardless of what genitalia’s involved right? I’m with Misnomer on this one, it would be more understandable to be squicked out by bisexuality than be non-squicked out but refrain because of the somewhat higher risk factor.

The last male I dated was bisexual and a virgin. After that relationship ended I dated a straight man who had 11 sex partners. One I felt safe having sex with, the other I didn’t (without an STI test anyway.) The ignorance displayed in this thread astounds me.

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is just silly. Perhaps straight people don’t understand how bisexuality works, but as a bisexual woman, if I ended up with a lifepartner who was a man, I would not miss pussy to the point that it would cause a breakup/riff in our relationship.

I’m not looking, but I don’t think it would bother me. I’m not in competition with the rest of the planet; I’m just me. It wouldn’t matter if he wanted to stray with boys or girls or both or sheep. If he wants to stray, he will. If he doesn’t, he won’t.

I’m risk averse, so I’m not big on sex early in a relationship. But his being attracted to men wouldn’t affect that. If he was having sex with anyone else concurrently, that would bother me.

I fail to see how taking a man’s sexual orientation into account when deciding whether or not to have sex with him is cavalier. A 9 times greater risk of contracting a disease which I will have for the rest of my life and risk infecting anyone else I may have sex with or any children I may have in the future is a huge consideration. To me, thinking about that seems rather the opposite of cavalier.

Is it prejudicial? I suppose it could be construed as prejudicial. It isn’t from my POV, because I’m not turning this person down because I think bisexuality is “icky,” or “wrong.” (I don’t) In fact, I’m not turning this person down at all. But the health risks will very much be in my mind when making that choice, and I’d want some reassurance that my concerns are unfounded.

Ok I’m gonna apologize for diving into a thread where I fit neither criteria, but it seemed like a good moment to join in since I am the rare white stag being mentioned (i.e. bisexual male). It also seems like the thread has morphed from the original post, so I thought I’d drop some personal information.

I am a 21 year old bisexual man. How do I know? The same way anyone can truly begin to know: trial and error. Am I just a confused/closeted gay man trying to avoid prejudice? Honey, please! First off, I came out as a gay man in 2002, open and proud to everyone who asked. I had no problems being gay, I was happy being gay, I… wasn’t actually totally gay. I began coming out as bisexual in 2004 and it has actually caused me more trouble than the just liking guys ever did. Yet how does one proclaim “be true to yourself” when out in the parade, but still repress certain important aspects of his own personality?

I like girls. I like guys. I like them both quite a lot, though my flirting and dating habits vary quite radically between the two. I’m not confused, I’m not worried about what my family will think, I just… am.

Do I want to sleep with both sexes at the same time? Ahaha. I don’t even want to sleep with two people of the same sex at the same time. Threesomes give me a bit of the heebie-jeebies, multiple romantic partners give me a headache, and having a certain quota of penis vs vagina isn’t really a factor to my libido. I am a monogamous soul and always have been. The only difference is that I can be monogamous with a man or a woman. I’m a guy, so the wandering eye is sort of built in, but that’s truly the extent of my extrarelationship ambitions. Anyone who thinks they have to fight the world to keep their man really needs to reset their possessiveness meter, because, if you gotta fight to keep someone, then you’ve lost them a long time ago.

In my years since coming out, I have been involved with three men and one woman. I have full out had sex with two men, both in a safe manner. Have I ever had anal intercourse with anyone? No. It just isn’t on my radar.

That’s my big ole bisexual history. Is it really that different from another person’s in quantity? Actually, it’s probably on the really low end of the bell curve. Is it important to know your partner’s sexual history before getting involved with them? HELL YES! Doesn’t matter whether they’re gay, straight, bi, queer, pansexual, trysexual, WHATEVER! Everyone should know what they’re getting into, because the labels we apply to ourselves are just thin veneers over an extremely complex set of drives and emotions we choose to lump into “sexuality”.

Be sane. Be safe. But don’t assume based on labels.

Thanks for the accusation (political correctness is, of course, always the flip side of prejudice), but there’s so much wrong with your use of this report that I’m not sure where to start. Oh wait, yes I am:

First, I never said there isn’t a higher risk, just that there isn’t a significantly higher risk – and I wasn’t talking about statistical significance, I meant significant enough to automatically reject all bisexuals.

Second, when talking about HIV I would think that a 1% risk of transmission should be taken just as seriously as a 9% risk: I’d rather take my chances with a reasonably experienced bisexual man than with a complete whore of a straight man. Which is not to say that I’d have unprotected sex with either of them – I have never had sex without a condom, even during the most anonymous of one-night stands. Which leads to…

Third, the CDC report talks about the rate of infection among men who have sex with men (MSM) as it compares to the rate among women who have sex with straight men, but it does not discuss the rate among women who have sex with MSM. I’m willing to bet that the rate of condom use (and other protection) increases dramatically when the sex is heterosexual, regardless of who else the individuals might be likely to sleep with. In fact, I’m willing to bet that condom use (or the lack thereof) is a key contributing factor to the higher rate among MSM.

This quote also doesn’t really do anything for your argument: I’m sure that a lot of young people of all sexual orientations who are infected are unaware of it. In fact, having volunteered with the Whitman-Walker clinic in DC, I’m a little bit more than sure. Unfortunately, many people under the age of 30 still aren’t likely to get regular STD/HIV screenings … but I don’t see how that justifies ignoring the online profile of a 36-year-old guy who seems interesting and identifies as bisexual.

Way to both miss the point and oversimplify the issue. Really, kudos.

The issue is not simply taking someone’s sexual orientation into account, it’s dismissing someone out of hand just because of his sexual orientation – thereby treating him as if he is nothing more than his sexual orientation. Is he picky about his lovers? Does he always use protection? Does he get tested regularly? Could he be the love of your life? You, personally, may take the time to find these things out, but most of the respondents in this thread have indicated that they would not: they refuse to approach him as an individual, to them he is nothing more or less than who he’s slept with. How is that not prejudice?

I don’t really qualify to answer here. I just want to say that I’m glad my husband didn’t get freaked out when he discovered I was bi, and happily married me, knowing my past. It would suck to have to hide who I am from the person I love, but he loves me for who I am. Lucky me. :slight_smile:

Could you kindly point me to where I said one should automatically reject all bisexuals? Oh, wiat. That’s right. I didn’t. I said it’s not prejudicial to take those figures into consideration when making a decision.

I’d say your math is a bit off. A nine times greater risk does not translate to 9%.

You’re right, it doesn’t. It discusses the HIV rate amoung gay and bisexual men. That’s why it applies. Bisexual means they’re having sex with men and women, right?

Except, his profile didn’t identify as bisexual. It identified as straight. That’s the part I had a problem with, as I quite clearly stated in my very first post. Now, while I realize to other people, this may not mean a whole lot, but to me, it’s a lie. I’d rather not enter into a relationship with someone who lies about their sexual orientation, greatly exaggerates their weight one way or the other, or lies about other minor details like whether or not they have a job, a spouse or kids. Again; my preference. While the majority of people probably fudge a bit (10lbs here and there isn’t that big a deal), there’s a difference between fudging and lying. I don’t like liars. If he’s lying about that, what else is he willing to lie about?

And way to totally act like you weren’t being judgemental and sanctimonious. Kudos right back at you.

'S funny, I didn’t say anything about anyone else. And actually, the majority of the respondents in the thread have sided with you. I made it quite clear that their sexual orientation alone wasn’t enough to disqualify, but that it would certainly be a factor in my decision. Even the OP isn’t prejudicial against bisexuals or gays; she’s just got preferences that don’t match up with yours due to risk factors that are not as small as you are making them out to be.