I’d love to be able to argue that but I can’t. Throw the Browns in that mix as well. The Browns might be worse off than either of them in terms of throwing away high first rounders on busts. Weeden, Manziel and Mayfield, oh my!
But the current Browns have only been around since 1999. The old Browns had … Bernie Kosar? I guess you have to go back to Otto Graham, so I suppose they qualify, too.
The Jets have players that do better in other environments. Look at Geno Smith, he was a disaster in New York and was a Pro Bowler last year in Seattle. I’m guessing he won’t be this year unless he has a dramatic turn-around, but he’s still a lot better than he was in New York. I don’t blame the Jets, he still had a lot to learn when he was drafted and he had to spend time as a backup learning humility before he could become a leader and grow mentally. I think they really do have bad luck.
Get Aaron Rodgers and… Oh, sorry, nope you don’t have Aaron Rodgers.
Maybe it’s a curse like the Cubs had for so long.
This feels like an exaggeration or maybe just recency bias. Other than Geno I can’t recall a Jets QB who left and found success later. And for as good a story as Geno was last year, that’s beginning to look a lot like an outlier. He left the Jets in 2016, 7 years ago, and was riding the pine in Seattle for 4 years before breaking out. I think he’s more Matt Flynn than Kurt Warner.
I know Jets fans feel miserable as a rule, but I think their QB track record is quite a lot better than the Bears. While they’ve never really found that cornerstone guy, they got stretches of solid play from guys like Pennington, Sanchez, Testaverde, Boomer and O’Brien. Recent history is pretty dismal, but I don’t know that they can say they’ve had generations of fans who’ve never seen a quality passing attack.
The Browns are probably the best contender for the worst of the worst, but their stretch with Mayfield had periods of competence. I’m not sure who had a better run, Cutler or Baker, both had highs and lows. I’d say they cancel out. Going back to Kosar they are every bit as screwed up as the Bears, perhaps even worse, but they did have Kosar and Sipe. Both those guys are certainly better than the Bears best in McMahon.
I was thinking about non-QBs, but yeah that’s not truly relevant since we’re talking about QBs.
For three quarters it was exactly what I was hoping to see. Fields looked good, in command, threatening with his legs and picking spots to kill him with his arm. Then the 4th quarter happened. We gave up 2 scores in almost no time by getting soft on defense. We went into an offensive shell and took the ball out of Justin’s hands leading to that pathetic 3 and out between the Detroit scores. Then when it’s time for Fields to try to be a hero with 20 something seconds left, our rookie RT lets Hutchinson walk in unblocked on an inside move and strip the ball before Fields even finished his drop back. The coaches killed our team.
Eberfluss!!! 
He has definitely lost 3 games with horrible coaching decisions, and yesterday was one of them. I called it, too. Just KNEW he was going to do what he did. He sucks.
Yup. We all saw it coming too. Those two runs up the middle for nothing and then pass attempt on 3rd and 10, which is almost impossible in that situation with the defense expecting it. If only Tyler Scott hadn’t slowed up for 1 step and kept running, I think that pass would have been complete and that might have changed the outcome. We should have run play action on 1st down and taken our shot. So tired of the terrible decision making by this staff.
I just feel so bad for the players. They played great and then got assassinated by their own coach.
Wow. I know that blaming coaching is up there with bitching about officiating and loving backup QBs in most fans’ heads, but I wouldnt have put that loss on Eberflus. He had a generally unimpressive team beating one of the best in the NFC for a good chunk of the game (sure, the Lions shooting themselves in the foot over and over helped), but the Bears played tough, they let Fields do what he does best and run the ball, and they were in a good position to win. Eberflus didnt overthrow Scott. Eberflus didnt miss the catch of said overthrown ball. Eberflus didnt get embarrassed by Aidan Hutchinson leading to the safety. Eberflus didnt miss his deep assignment on Williamson’s TD.
Of course Eberflus wasnt blameless, but putting that loss on him ignores the mistakes the pkayers made on the field.
And why such a deep ball? At that point of the game, an 11-yard completion accomplishes just as much as a 40-yard completion, which a much higher chance of success. Just a stupid play call.
It was open. If Fields puts just a touch less distance or if Scott keeps his speed up, it works, and Eberflus is a genius for being daring on 3rd down to seal the game, instead of a pariah for being too “conservative”. There is literally no winning for that dudebecause every critique is done in hindsight.
“Run-Run-Pass” is phoning in an offensive game plan. I used to see that all the time in Seattle and it was so predictable, and was so easy to defend against.
Newer OCs in Seattle put an end to that stuff.
I’ll bet 8 of the 11 defenders were somewhere near the 10 yard marker. Throwing for 12 yards in that situation? Good luck. Scott had beat the cornerback and the safety shaded in, it was the right throw for the play and coverage, and I think it’s right on if Scott kept running. Either a touchdown or it’s first down in the red zone.
I can’t believe how many coaches go with that strategy in these situations after its long history of failure. It’s the “try not to lose” plan, which just increases the chance of losing. A great example from this game is going for the field goal on 4th and short right at the beginning of the 4th quarter rather than go for it and try to get the TD on that drive. This was right after that incredible Fields scramble for 29 yards on 3rd and 14. That FG gave us a 9 point lead, which made it a two score lead, but our odds of winning actually decreased after we made the FG.
So Fields was meh in the win over Minnesota last night, but he did technically lead his first-ever 4th quarter comeback. Hooray?
I would not go that far - the kicker Cairo Santos really lead and won the game - or maybe the Bears’ defense. I mean, Chicago had 4 turnovers in their favor, and other than a few decent yardage plays, the offense scored no touchdowns from that?
Agreed, the offense was terrible, especially given Minnesota’s turnovers. But Fields did actually lead them on the 4th quarter drive that resulted in the winning field goal. So, by definition, he led the comeback. Routine stuff for most good QBs, but the first time he’s ever managed it.
He has led late drives for go ahead scores before, but the historically bad defense we had immediately let the other team run down the field and score. Pittsburgh in 2021 we scored with less than 2 minutes to play and we could not stop the Steelers. Not Justin’s fault. Also against Washington last year, he drove us down the field and put a perfect pass into Mooney’s chest on the goal line and he dropped it. That would have won that game.
He hasn’t been good enough in the clutch, when we have had a defense where it would matter, but there’s no need for hyperbole.
Yes, I would say the defense won the game, for sure. Santos missed one that would have made it not as close, but he did get all of our points. Justin did well to put those two fumbles behind him and not let it effect him on that last drive for the win. I’ll give him that, but Getsy sure didn’t make it easy calling 45 wide receiver screen plays. Awful play calling all game long.